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Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs tha

Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs that have been found in protests (you can find examples on google): - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews - "by any means necessary" -> seems to condone violence against Jews I'm sure you can find other examples very easily. I will admit that I didn't see anything overtly anti-semitic from the Google protesters specifically. Of course, it seems they were fired for violating workplace rules, not their actual viewpoint.

Georgelemental 3y ago
> "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel "From the river to the sea" has been used to mean many things. At one point it was a Zionist slogan. Hamas uses it to imply horrible things, and maybe it's not the smartest move for protesters to use the same phrase, but that doesn't mean their intentions are nefarious, no more than Hindus using the swastika makes them Nazi
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  It’s obviously being used in a very specific way. Your analogy is silly.
khazhoux 3y ago
Is someone actually claiming that none of them are anti-semitic? The pro-Hamas antisemites are in the tiny majority of the protesters.
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
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  - khazhoux 3y ago
    You should know after 13 years on Hacker News that "Are you incapable of reading?" is not an acceptable reply here.
someotherperson 3y ago
You can read this into anything. > - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel The Israeli vs. Palestinian conflict is, for the Palestinians, about property rights. And both sides claim the full area between the Jordan river to the Sea. Plenty of groups say the same thing, whether it's the Chinese view on Taiwan ("one China!") or the ISIS view on the Middle East (and half of Europe and Asia..) being "one Ummah" and nobody calls it racist. The funny part with that is that it's literally just a pun on the original Israeli Likud party slogan of "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty"[0]. The other day Netanyahu said the same thing with "West of the Jordan river."[1] Is that whatever the Palestinian equivalent of antisemitism is? > - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews All the examples I've seen (as stupid as the phrase is, people seem to copy it as if it's witty) have included the Israeli flag. There are plenty of people that roast Turks and Turkey, but the addition of the crescent moon on their flag doesn't turn into a roast on all of Islam. Israel has intentionally conflated being anti-Jewish with being anti-Israeli so that you can't target the latter, but somehow also rides the wave of Israeli actions can't be attributed to Jews in general. It's a strange take but if anything has led to a rise in actual antisemitism (as in the anti-Jewish variety) it has been that intentional muddying of the waters. This also isn't to take away from your main point that there is plenty of real antisemitism out there. I'm sure there is, and it's probably underreported if anything. But the majority of the examples given by pro-Israeli groups (chosen only because they're most visible) are not it. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdFOIiRpr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdFOIiRpr0
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  I wouldn’t say it’s “Israel” doing this, it’s a belief shared by many (of course not all!) Jews. When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home you tend to take threats against it very seriously. Especially since most Jews in Israel are from the Middle East and if Israel didn’t exist they would literally have no other country in the region they could live in.
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Georgelemental 3y ago

> "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel "From the river to the sea" has been used to mean many things. At one point it was a Zionist slogan. Hamas uses it to imply horrible things, and maybe it's not the smartest move for protesters to use the same phrase, but that doesn't mean their intentions are nefarious, no more than Hindus using the swastika makes them Nazi

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
It’s obviously being used in a very specific way. Your analogy is silly.

khazhoux 3y ago

Is someone actually claiming that none of them are anti-semitic? The pro-Hamas antisemites are in the tiny majority of the protesters.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
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- khazhoux 3y ago
  You should know after 13 years on Hacker News that "Are you incapable of reading?" is not an acceptable reply here.

someotherperson 3y ago

You can read this into anything. > - "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel The Israeli vs. Palestinian conflict is, for the Palestinians, about property rights. And both sides claim the full area between the Jordan river to the Sea. Plenty of groups say the same thing, whether it's the Chinese view on Taiwan ("one China!") or the ISIS view on the Middle East (and half of Europe and Asia..) being "one Ummah" and nobody calls it racist. The funny part with that is that it's literally just a pun on the original Israeli Likud party slogan of "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty"[0]. The other day Netanyahu said the same thing with "West of the Jordan river."[1] Is that whatever the Palestinian equivalent of antisemitism is? > - "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews All the examples I've seen (as stupid as the phrase is, people seem to copy it as if it's witty) have included the Israeli flag. There are plenty of people that roast Turks and Turkey, but the addition of the crescent moon on their flag doesn't turn into a roast on all of Islam. Israel has intentionally conflated being anti-Jewish with being anti-Israeli so that you can't target the latter, but somehow also rides the wave of Israeli actions can't be attributed to Jews in general. It's a strange take but if anything has led to a rise in actual antisemitism (as in the anti-Jewish variety) it has been that intentional muddying of the waters. This also isn't to take away from your main point that there is plenty of real antisemitism out there. I'm sure there is, and it's probably underreported if anything. But the majority of the examples given by pro-Israeli groups (chosen only because they're most visible) are not it. [0] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdFOIiRpr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdFOIiRpr0

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
I wouldn’t say it’s “Israel” doing this, it’s a belief shared by many (of course not all!) Jews. When your entire ethnic group has only a single tiny country in the entire world that it can call home you tend to take threats against it very seriously. Especially since most Jews in Israel are from the Middle East and if Israel didn’t exist they would literally have no other country in the region they could live in.

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