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> where the most prominent voices in the movement support Hamas I suppose that depends on your definition of "the movement". But I am close friends with one of

> where the most prominent voices in the movement support Hamas I suppose that depends on your definition of "the movement". But I am close friends with one of the activist leaders for divesting from Israeli government-linked companies on my university campus—and they're Jewish. So I'm personally skeptical of the scaremongering propaganda

zeroCalories 2y ago
Are you suggesting that there aren't Jews that support Hamas? I've known plenty of Uncle Toms and Kapos in my life.
- Georgelemental 2y ago
  > there aren't Jews that support Hamas There are around 16 million Jews in the world, I'm sure you can find one or two to support more or less anything. But the Uncle Tom/Kapo analogy doesn't work; there are no Jews under Hamas rule (other than the hostages ofc) so there is no incentive for any of them to betray their people in that way.
  - zeroCalories 2y ago
    Of course there is an incentive. You get to reap social capital and get high on your own perceived holiness. Do you think someone like Norman Finkelstein would be so popular if he wasn't a Jew? Or Candace Owens black?
    - Georgelemental 2y ago
      Where in the world (outside Gaza) does explicitly supporting Hamas (as opposed to opposing war crimes) "reap social capital"?
      - zeroCalories 2y ago
        Are you naive, or acting in bad faith? The Muslim world. People like Finkelstein are treated like celebrities in Qatar. Leftist circles, like the student protesters we like talking about. Have you not heard "this is what decolonization looks like"? Why do you think many lefties refuse to condemn Hamas? The anti-west/anti-american masses. This is the perfect opportunity for Russians and Chinese to undermine the west by promoting token whities, like Jackson Hinkle. These are often all the same person. Edit: Not to mention the growing undercurrents of antisemitism in western countries from the right wing and other minorities.
  - weatherlite 2y ago
    > so there is no incentive for any of them to betray their people in that way Sure other than getting harassed, humiliated or worse on schools / campuses / workplace.
ActorNightly 2y ago
There was that one American political youtuber back a couple years ago who said something along the lines of "America Deserved 9/11". Peoples ethnicities or places of origin have very little to do with how their opinions are viewed. If you don't support violence against civilians, but you support a group who has many objectives, and one just so happens to be the desire to kill Jewish civilians, you actually do support the violence against civilians.

zeroCalories 2y ago

Are you suggesting that there aren't Jews that support Hamas? I've known plenty of Uncle Toms and Kapos in my life.

Georgelemental 2y ago
> there aren't Jews that support Hamas There are around 16 million Jews in the world, I'm sure you can find one or two to support more or less anything. But the Uncle Tom/Kapo analogy doesn't work; there are no Jews under Hamas rule (other than the hostages ofc) so there is no incentive for any of them to betray their people in that way.
- zeroCalories 2y ago
  Of course there is an incentive. You get to reap social capital and get high on your own perceived holiness. Do you think someone like Norman Finkelstein would be so popular if he wasn't a Jew? Or Candace Owens black?
  - Georgelemental 2y ago
    Where in the world (outside Gaza) does explicitly supporting Hamas (as opposed to opposing war crimes) "reap social capital"?
    - zeroCalories 2y ago
      Are you naive, or acting in bad faith? The Muslim world. People like Finkelstein are treated like celebrities in Qatar. Leftist circles, like the student protesters we like talking about. Have you not heard "this is what decolonization looks like"? Why do you think many lefties refuse to condemn Hamas? The anti-west/anti-american masses. This is the perfect opportunity for Russians and Chinese to undermine the west by promoting token whities, like Jackson Hinkle. These are often all the same person. Edit: Not to mention the growing undercurrents of antisemitism in western countries from the right wing and other minorities.
- weatherlite 2y ago
  > so there is no incentive for any of them to betray their people in that way Sure other than getting harassed, humiliated or worse on schools / campuses / workplace.

ActorNightly 2y ago

There was that one American political youtuber back a couple years ago who said something along the lines of "America Deserved 9/11". Peoples ethnicities or places of origin have very little to do with how their opinions are viewed. If you don't support violence against civilians, but you support a group who has many objectives, and one just so happens to be the desire to kill Jewish civilians, you actually do support the violence against civilians.