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Rare rule violation on the downvote thing. Make a dissenting case or leave it the fuck alone. I’ve been pretty laid back about the OpenAI bot thing but I’m ove

Rare rule violation on the downvote thing. Make a dissenting case or leave it the fuck alone. I’ve been pretty laid back about the OpenAI bot thing but I’m over it.

benreesman 3y ago
@dang there are the same number of points on me finally accusing big Azure IPv4 blocks of manipulating the site as there are downvotes on an argument south of preprint but north of what passes for AI math here. This is by no means the worst example this month. You run the best moderation team on the Internet, but no one at OpenAI (including Fidji) will flat deny they’re doing it, and it’s just obvious. I know you’re doing yeoman’s work like always. Have someone let @sama that at least one person is going to start making charts. Not here.
khaki54 3y ago
Ben, honestly some of your comments are extremely abstruse to the point where people can't tell if you are serious or not. That's my take anyway (I don't have downvote power)
- benreesman 3y ago
  The mathematics is necessarily an argument sketch. The single-minded, singular goal of seeing Sam Altman answer to a criminal jury for his crimes? Serious as a guy happy to talk to journalists. I won’t sleep a full night until he hears a verdict carried by a bailiff. Any remaining confusion?
- drusepth 3y ago
  I think the contentious tone within the comment combined with the mathematical abstrusity makes it doubly difficult to determine whether the criticism stems from correcting proper high-level-math-other-people-don't-understand or just a personal axe to grind with... someone (openai? sam altman? gradient.ai? meta?). To those who don't understand the math (or its implications/connections to the shared link here, especially since the link is sparse on details unless you know where to look), I could see how a reader would lean toward the latter and downvote without comment.
  - benreesman 3y ago
    A sibling asked about the math, I gave some hopefully useful analogies. I’m happy to elaborate further on what a colossal waste of money the current mega autoencoders are and why this follows from some geometry and topology that’s table stakes in AI now. “Jail Altman” is basically my sig now. And no one wonders why someone would be passionate about that. Not in good faith.
weird-eye-issue 3y ago
You are being downvoted because you are annoying.
- benreesman 3y ago
  Please elaborate?
  - benreesman 3y ago
    I’ve heard feedback in this thread that I’m being mathematically abstruse, and that I’m being controversial or inflammatory or something. I’m paying attention, but we are talking about a giant neural network trained by my friends and former colleagues at FAIR based mostly out of FBNY where I used to go every day, so, I’ll contend there’s some math involved: this is a topic for people who make a serious priority out of it these days. The controversial piece no one is coming right out and saying, I think it’s my “fuck @sama” refrain. Though how something that’s a meme on YouTube channels about typescript is a bigger topic than finally giving Emmy Nother her props (if she’d been a man she’d be far more famous than e.g. Heisenberg) eludes me. I’m saying that an iconic mathematician and physicist deprived of her rightful place in history had it right, and once crooks like “Fired for Fraud Repeatedly” Altman and Madame Su are out of the picture, we might re-learn what she taught us. On reflection? Fuck you, you’re annoying, ignorant, and a shill if your comments are anything to go by.
    - weird-eye-issue 2y ago
      Yeah like I said you're really annoying
      - benreesman 2y ago
        You could have learned something. Instead we all wasted memory remembering that twice. I plan to forget your username. I hope I never have cause to remember it. Ronin, masterless. There’s no one to call me to heel if I take a dislike.
nl 3y ago
You are cloaking what seems to be an opinion of some kind (unclear what? Something about Sam Altman or maybe about copyright or maybe anti NYT lawsuit?) in obtuse math. The conclusions you seem to draw are by no means conclusive and at best seem only vaguely related to the unclear moral, ethical or legal stance you seem to believe in.

Rare rule violation on the downvote thing. Make a dissenting case or leave it the fuck alone. I’ve been pretty laid back about the OpenAI bot thing but I’m over it.

benreesman 3y ago

@dang there are the same number of points on me finally accusing big Azure IPv4 blocks of manipulating the site as there are downvotes on an argument south of preprint but north of what passes for AI math here. This is by no means the worst example this month. You run the best moderation team on the Internet, but no one at OpenAI (including Fidji) will flat deny they’re doing it, and it’s just obvious. I know you’re doing yeoman’s work like always. Have someone let @sama that at least one person is going to start making charts. Not here.

khaki54 3y ago

Ben, honestly some of your comments are extremely abstruse to the point where people can't tell if you are serious or not. That's my take anyway (I don't have downvote power)

benreesman 3y ago
The mathematics is necessarily an argument sketch. The single-minded, singular goal of seeing Sam Altman answer to a criminal jury for his crimes? Serious as a guy happy to talk to journalists. I won’t sleep a full night until he hears a verdict carried by a bailiff. Any remaining confusion?
drusepth 3y ago
I think the contentious tone within the comment combined with the mathematical abstrusity makes it doubly difficult to determine whether the criticism stems from correcting proper high-level-math-other-people-don't-understand or just a personal axe to grind with... someone (openai? sam altman? gradient.ai? meta?). To those who don't understand the math (or its implications/connections to the shared link here, especially since the link is sparse on details unless you know where to look), I could see how a reader would lean toward the latter and downvote without comment.
- benreesman 3y ago
  A sibling asked about the math, I gave some hopefully useful analogies. I’m happy to elaborate further on what a colossal waste of money the current mega autoencoders are and why this follows from some geometry and topology that’s table stakes in AI now. “Jail Altman” is basically my sig now. And no one wonders why someone would be passionate about that. Not in good faith.

weird-eye-issue 3y ago

You are being downvoted because you are annoying.

benreesman 3y ago
Please elaborate?
- benreesman 3y ago
  I’ve heard feedback in this thread that I’m being mathematically abstruse, and that I’m being controversial or inflammatory or something. I’m paying attention, but we are talking about a giant neural network trained by my friends and former colleagues at FAIR based mostly out of FBNY where I used to go every day, so, I’ll contend there’s some math involved: this is a topic for people who make a serious priority out of it these days. The controversial piece no one is coming right out and saying, I think it’s my “fuck @sama” refrain. Though how something that’s a meme on YouTube channels about typescript is a bigger topic than finally giving Emmy Nother her props (if she’d been a man she’d be far more famous than e.g. Heisenberg) eludes me. I’m saying that an iconic mathematician and physicist deprived of her rightful place in history had it right, and once crooks like “Fired for Fraud Repeatedly” Altman and Madame Su are out of the picture, we might re-learn what she taught us. On reflection? Fuck you, you’re annoying, ignorant, and a shill if your comments are anything to go by.
  - weird-eye-issue 2y ago
    Yeah like I said you're really annoying
    - benreesman 2y ago
      You could have learned something. Instead we all wasted memory remembering that twice. I plan to forget your username. I hope I never have cause to remember it. Ronin, masterless. There’s no one to call me to heel if I take a dislike.

nl 3y ago

You are cloaking what seems to be an opinion of some kind (unclear what? Something about Sam Altman or maybe about copyright or maybe anti NYT lawsuit?) in obtuse math. The conclusions you seem to draw are by no means conclusive and at best seem only vaguely related to the unclear moral, ethical or legal stance you seem to believe in.