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Nice to have an alternative to Lilypond (lilypond.org), but given the extreme complexity of notation, I would bet that any brevity gains are short lived. For t

Nice to have an alternative to Lilypond (lilypond.org), but given the extreme complexity of notation, I would bet that any brevity gains are short lived. For those Asciidoc freaks among you, Lilypond is fairly easy to get running in your Asciidoc toolchain of choice. I use the DocBook PDF pipeline, and the lilypond output is quite nice looking. It's awfully TeX-like.

atonse 2y ago
But does Lilypond generate responsive sheets? That to me was the coolest part of this (apart from what others have said, the power of modern CSS)
- Tokkemon 2y ago
  They can be rendered at any size.
  - lukan 2y ago
    A PDF is still not that responsive. Clean HTML/CSS is.
    - dheera 2y ago
      You don't have to render to PDF, you can just have some UI that keeps re-rendering Lilypond source to your screen size and zoom level every time you zoom. Or render each measure to a separate .png file and just <img> for each measure. It will wrap and re-flow, you just have to deal with the clefs separately.
      - lukan 2y ago
        "you can just have some UI that keeps re-rendering Lilypond source to your screen size and zoom level every time you zoom." And have you done that or seen it responsive?
        dheera 2y ago
        If you want it to be responsive just do the Apple trick of instantly presenting a highly blurred image until the render is complete. The blurred image doesn't even have to be of the real thing, but it makes users feel warm and fuzzy.
        lukan 2y ago
        I take that as a no.
- bollu 2y ago
  Yes, lilypond generates SVG that rescales smoothly
  - atonse 2y ago
    So the measures on a line automatically wrap if viewed on a phone?
stephbd 2y ago
I would also suggest checking out ABCjs for web rendering.
TheRealPomax 2y ago
Not everyone needs to typeset a full symphony with all the crazy notation for every single instrument though, having an easy responsive web presentation for even 50% of the "simple" scoring you do is a fantastic option to have.
- Tokkemon 2y ago
  But this solution won't even get you that far, let's be honest.
  - TheRealPomax 2y ago
    Can't say I share that conviction? This is absolutely perfect for stuff like "I came up with something, let me score it and share it" without having to reach for notion/musescore/etc or lilypad.
- groby_b 2y ago
  At least for Guitar, that's far from what you need even for simple scoring. I'd be surprised if you get enough support for fairly straightforward piano scores either. Don't get me wrong, this is amazing work. It's likely enough for any kind of "chord and basic melody to help you remember enough to get through the gig". But for actual scoring, lilypond & friends are still the tool of choice. (I wish it was easier. I have spent way too much time trying to convince it to do the things I want :) I'm hoping it'll get there, though.
mrweasel 2y ago
If you can make do with a more limited feature set, I'd properly go with a CSS alternative, rather than using Lilypond (depending on your environment and use case). Lilypond is fairly complicated and not without security risk and have been used as an attack vector due to it being able to embed Postscript.
consf 2y ago
LilyPond helped me to digitize my old sheet music at the time
- groby_b 2y ago
  Did you transcribe manually? Or is there some sort of service that gets most of the job done via OCR?

atonse 2y ago

But does Lilypond generate responsive sheets? That to me was the coolest part of this (apart from what others have said, the power of modern CSS)

Tokkemon 2y ago
They can be rendered at any size.
- lukan 2y ago
  A PDF is still not that responsive. Clean HTML/CSS is.
  - dheera 2y ago
    You don't have to render to PDF, you can just have some UI that keeps re-rendering Lilypond source to your screen size and zoom level every time you zoom. Or render each measure to a separate .png file and just <img> for each measure. It will wrap and re-flow, you just have to deal with the clefs separately.
    - lukan 2y ago
      "you can just have some UI that keeps re-rendering Lilypond source to your screen size and zoom level every time you zoom." And have you done that or seen it responsive?
      - dheera 2y ago
        If you want it to be responsive just do the Apple trick of instantly presenting a highly blurred image until the render is complete. The blurred image doesn't even have to be of the real thing, but it makes users feel warm and fuzzy.
        lukan 2y ago
        I take that as a no.
bollu 2y ago
Yes, lilypond generates SVG that rescales smoothly
- atonse 2y ago
  So the measures on a line automatically wrap if viewed on a phone?

stephbd 2y ago

I would also suggest checking out ABCjs for web rendering.

TheRealPomax 2y ago

Not everyone needs to typeset a full symphony with all the crazy notation for every single instrument though, having an easy responsive web presentation for even 50% of the "simple" scoring you do is a fantastic option to have.

Tokkemon 2y ago
But this solution won't even get you that far, let's be honest.
- TheRealPomax 2y ago
  Can't say I share that conviction? This is absolutely perfect for stuff like "I came up with something, let me score it and share it" without having to reach for notion/musescore/etc or lilypad.
groby_b 2y ago
At least for Guitar, that's far from what you need even for simple scoring. I'd be surprised if you get enough support for fairly straightforward piano scores either. Don't get me wrong, this is amazing work. It's likely enough for any kind of "chord and basic melody to help you remember enough to get through the gig". But for actual scoring, lilypond & friends are still the tool of choice. (I wish it was easier. I have spent way too much time trying to convince it to do the things I want :) I'm hoping it'll get there, though.

mrweasel 2y ago

If you can make do with a more limited feature set, I'd properly go with a CSS alternative, rather than using Lilypond (depending on your environment and use case). Lilypond is fairly complicated and not without security risk and have been used as an attack vector due to it being able to embed Postscript.

consf 2y ago

LilyPond helped me to digitize my old sheet music at the time

groby_b 2y ago
Did you transcribe manually? Or is there some sort of service that gets most of the job done via OCR?