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Why should Europe care where they are amongst this myopic ranking of “best tech hub”? Western Europe is a great place to live, raise a family, and retire. No

by j7ake 2y ago

Why should Europe care where they are amongst this myopic ranking of “best tech hub”? Western Europe is a great place to live, raise a family, and retire. None of the tech hub countries are even remotely comparable to Europe in this sense. If there are people in Europe who want to work in a high growth industry that desperately, they can move to USA or China.

seydor 2y ago
Europeans live the way they do because of unbelievable amounts of wealth and innovation accumulated through centuries which is being spent. None of that is guaranteed in a failing , aging europe. It's not food-safe, nor energy-safe. Not thinking about a sustainable future is fatally myopic
- pasabagi 2y ago
  Or because of unbelievable amounts of rights won through political struggle, which cannot be spent, only lost through getting complacent. Europe was a lot poorer in the 80's. China today has a higher GDP-per-capita then the EU did in the 80's. India has a higher GDP-per-capita than the EU had in the 70's. If you have a decent political culture, you don't need a lot of money to avoid the worst kinds of poverty.
- snowpid 2y ago
  I disagree. Basically all Europe were in shambles 80 years ago, Communism was destroyed only 30 years ago. We still 4 wars in the last 30 years in Europe. The accumulated wealth is long gone.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    And Putin is threatening another major war in Europe with NATO, it's pretty crazy to assume that Europe has not issues happening or has gotten complacent just because they don't want to work 50 hours a week.
    - snowpid 2y ago
      It's actually a surprise that Europe is a rich part of the world.
ghusto 2y ago
I've been refraining from saying the same for fear of starting arguments, but I'm still glad you said it. I've worked for an American tech company (and had a really good time doing so!) and visited the country. I can honestly say I'm immeasurably happier with my quality of life here in Europe.
Aerroon 2y ago
Because the world doesn't stand still. If you're stagnating then others pass you by. Why stagnate now? Why not the economy of the 60s? 70s? 80s? Today life is significantly better than back then. If Europe stagnates even more then we will still be in the same place in a few decades as we are now.
- badpun 2y ago
  Europe is not stagnating, its economy is just developing slower than in the US.
dukeyukey 2y ago
> Why should Europe care where they are amongst this myopic ranking of “best tech hub”? Because I'm European, and I'd like more money and a richer lifestyle. > Western Europe is a great place to live, raise a family, and retire. The average new-build home in my country (the UK) is about 850sqft. That's not flats, that's homes. > If there are people in Europe who want to work in a high growth industry that desperately, they can move to USA Do you know how tricky it is to move to the US as a skilled worker, and how much luck is involved?
fjdjshsh 2y ago
I get your point, but the author is proposing that Europeans loose their working rights or start working 70 hours a week. I think the biggest suggestion is that the EU should standardize their legislation for creating and keeping a company. That (I think, but I'd love to hear arguments against it) shouldn't involve or be correlated with becoming more crappy capitalism like the USA (less working rights, weird health industry, etc)

by j7ake 2y ago

seydor 2y ago

Europeans live the way they do because of unbelievable amounts of wealth and innovation accumulated through centuries which is being spent. None of that is guaranteed in a failing , aging europe. It's not food-safe, nor energy-safe. Not thinking about a sustainable future is fatally myopic

pasabagi 2y ago
Or because of unbelievable amounts of rights won through political struggle, which cannot be spent, only lost through getting complacent. Europe was a lot poorer in the 80's. China today has a higher GDP-per-capita then the EU did in the 80's. India has a higher GDP-per-capita than the EU had in the 70's. If you have a decent political culture, you don't need a lot of money to avoid the worst kinds of poverty.
snowpid 2y ago
I disagree. Basically all Europe were in shambles 80 years ago, Communism was destroyed only 30 years ago. We still 4 wars in the last 30 years in Europe. The accumulated wealth is long gone.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  And Putin is threatening another major war in Europe with NATO, it's pretty crazy to assume that Europe has not issues happening or has gotten complacent just because they don't want to work 50 hours a week.
  - snowpid 2y ago
    It's actually a surprise that Europe is a rich part of the world.

ghusto 2y ago

I've been refraining from saying the same for fear of starting arguments, but I'm still glad you said it. I've worked for an American tech company (and had a really good time doing so!) and visited the country. I can honestly say I'm immeasurably happier with my quality of life here in Europe.

Aerroon 2y ago

Because the world doesn't stand still. If you're stagnating then others pass you by. Why stagnate now? Why not the economy of the 60s? 70s? 80s? Today life is significantly better than back then. If Europe stagnates even more then we will still be in the same place in a few decades as we are now.

badpun 2y ago
Europe is not stagnating, its economy is just developing slower than in the US.

dukeyukey 2y ago

> Why should Europe care where they are amongst this myopic ranking of “best tech hub”? Because I'm European, and I'd like more money and a richer lifestyle. > Western Europe is a great place to live, raise a family, and retire. The average new-build home in my country (the UK) is about 850sqft. That's not flats, that's homes. > If there are people in Europe who want to work in a high growth industry that desperately, they can move to USA Do you know how tricky it is to move to the US as a skilled worker, and how much luck is involved?

fjdjshsh 2y ago

I get your point, but the author is proposing that Europeans loose their working rights or start working 70 hours a week. I think the biggest suggestion is that the EU should standardize their legislation for creating and keeping a company. That (I think, but I'd love to hear arguments against it) shouldn't involve or be correlated with becoming more crappy capitalism like the USA (less working rights, weird health industry, etc)