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> it's an argument for never letting him out It is an argument, although that might count as unusually cruel or disproportionate for a crime like this. Even mu

by n4r9 3y ago

> it's an argument for never letting him out It is an argument, although that might count as unusually cruel or disproportionate for a crime like this. Even murderers in Finland are typically pardoned and released after 12-15 years.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Even murderers in Finland are typically pardoned and released after 12-15 years What about serial murderers? The damning part—to me—isn’t the crime per se but the repeat offenses. The Finnish system is famously good at rehabilitating criminals. But what do you do with the edge cases? (I guess our system, which excels at incapacitation and retribution, has its edge cases in the unjustly imprisoned. Put that way, having the edge default to letting out a few incurable criminals from time to time might be the fairer solution.)
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  This is generally well handled. https://apnews.com/article/science-norway-europe-oslo-crime-bdd56073c42dc2066640095d7e62b048 https://apnews.com/article/science-norway-europe-oslo-crime-... > While the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, the law was amended in 2002 so that, in rare cases, sentences can be extended indefinitely in five-year increments if someone is still considered a danger to the public.
- ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
  > Put that way, having the edge default to letting out a few incurable criminals from time to time might be the fairer solution. Blackstone's ratio[0] He's a scumbag, but the folks that didn't secure that data were also complicit (although unintentionally). I know that the company went belly-up, but I'd suggest the company that wrote and sold the software also shares culpability, as they likely sold it as some kind of magic beans. There's really no substitute for not collecting the information in the first place, but in this community, that's heresy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio

by n4r9 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Even murderers in Finland are typically pardoned and released after 12-15 years What about serial murderers? The damning part—to me—isn’t the crime per se but the repeat offenses. The Finnish system is famously good at rehabilitating criminals. But what do you do with the edge cases? (I guess our system, which excels at incapacitation and retribution, has its edge cases in the unjustly imprisoned. Put that way, having the edge default to letting out a few incurable criminals from time to time might be the fairer solution.)

ceejayoz 3y ago
This is generally well handled. https://apnews.com/article/science-norway-europe-oslo-crime-bdd56073c42dc2066640095d7e62b048 https://apnews.com/article/science-norway-europe-oslo-crime-... > While the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, the law was amended in 2002 so that, in rare cases, sentences can be extended indefinitely in five-year increments if someone is still considered a danger to the public.
ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
> Put that way, having the edge default to letting out a few incurable criminals from time to time might be the fairer solution. Blackstone's ratio[0] He's a scumbag, but the folks that didn't secure that data were also complicit (although unintentionally). I know that the company went belly-up, but I'd suggest the company that wrote and sold the software also shares culpability, as they likely sold it as some kind of magic beans. There's really no substitute for not collecting the information in the first place, but in this community, that's heresy. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio