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Market segmentation, plus it does cost more then $2… (8gb=$25, but those are 2 yr old prices)

moffkalast 2y ago
Ah yeah seems like the bulk prices I was looking up[0] are in bits, not bytes. Apparently ISPs aren't the only ones trying to make themselves look better through these shenanigans. Would've only cost them $17 to go with 2x4GB modules, but limited board space and all that I guess. A 12GB version would've been nice to have for $7 more at least, since it's the max single module. [0] https://en.chinaflashmarket.com/price/lpddr https://en.chinaflashmarket.com/price/lpddr
- kube-system 2y ago
  Bare chips are and have always been measured in bits Even when you buy DRAM modules, the data sheets for the chips that are on it will cite capacities in bits. The meaning of the 'b' in 'Gb' or 'GB' is case sensitive.
  - moffkalast 2y ago
    Yeah, the same way as chip density nm values have always been a thing and now the definition has been stretched so thin that it's lost all meaning? This is pure "big number better" marketing bullshit that has no place in a world where even L1 cache is measured in KB.
    - kube-system 2y ago
      Bits came first, and it has a very clear meaning. Measuring memory chips in bits is not a marketing thing -- every RAM chip has been measured this way from the very beginning. Including the ones in your computer right now. Potentially you are only familiar with RAM modules? > L1 cache is measured in KB L1 cache isn't a discrete component. It is measured differently because the audience for that measurement is different.
      - moffkalast 2y ago
        I don't see a point in labelling something that isn't addressable bit by bit in bits. The lowest unit anything running on it can use is a byte and it's perfectly divisible by 8, there's no reason to use bits. I'm not going to count the number of atoms in my drink or the how long my trip to work is in fuckin nanometers. Doing something the way it's always been done is not a very convincing excuse, if we always did that we'd still be drawing on cave walls and foraging for berries.
        kube-system 2y ago
        Chips are sold to audiences who do care about the bit-by-bit implementation. > anything running on it You've skipped a few layers of abstraction. Chips aren't sold to people who implement software. They're sold to people who implement hardware. The bits matter when you're designing the pieces below the software.
- shadowpho 2y ago
  Looking at earlier years price was more expensive at launch too.

Ah yeah seems like the bulk prices I was looking up[0] are in bits, not bytes. Apparently ISPs aren't the only ones trying to make themselves look better through these shenanigans. Would've only cost them $17 to go with 2x4GB modules, but limited board space and all that I guess. A 12GB version would've been nice to have for $7 more at least, since it's the max single module. [0] https://en.chinaflashmarket.com/price/lpddr https://en.chinaflashmarket.com/price/lpddr

kube-system 2y ago
Bare chips are and have always been measured in bits Even when you buy DRAM modules, the data sheets for the chips that are on it will cite capacities in bits. The meaning of the 'b' in 'Gb' or 'GB' is case sensitive.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Yeah, the same way as chip density nm values have always been a thing and now the definition has been stretched so thin that it's lost all meaning? This is pure "big number better" marketing bullshit that has no place in a world where even L1 cache is measured in KB.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    Bits came first, and it has a very clear meaning. Measuring memory chips in bits is not a marketing thing -- every RAM chip has been measured this way from the very beginning. Including the ones in your computer right now. Potentially you are only familiar with RAM modules? > L1 cache is measured in KB L1 cache isn't a discrete component. It is measured differently because the audience for that measurement is different.
    - moffkalast 2y ago
      I don't see a point in labelling something that isn't addressable bit by bit in bits. The lowest unit anything running on it can use is a byte and it's perfectly divisible by 8, there's no reason to use bits. I'm not going to count the number of atoms in my drink or the how long my trip to work is in fuckin nanometers. Doing something the way it's always been done is not a very convincing excuse, if we always did that we'd still be drawing on cave walls and foraging for berries.
      - kube-system 2y ago
        Chips are sold to audiences who do care about the bit-by-bit implementation. > anything running on it You've skipped a few layers of abstraction. Chips aren't sold to people who implement software. They're sold to people who implement hardware. The bits matter when you're designing the pieces below the software.
shadowpho 2y ago
Looking at earlier years price was more expensive at launch too.