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The craziest thing about Tesla is that people still believe what musk says. I agree it makes sense that battery production is the limiting factor, but my abili

The craziest thing about Tesla is that people still believe what musk says. I agree it makes sense that battery production is the limiting factor, but my ability to trust what Musk says is close to zero.

harborsong 3y ago
The craziest thing is, regardless how people feel about politics, Musk has achieved a lot for technology yet people in technology forums disparage him. I guess politics trumps technology.
- uuddlrlrbaba 3y ago
  The parroted introduction has me reading this comment in bad faith, but I'll bite anyway. What are some of his personal tech achievements? Emphasis on personal.
- PaywallBuster 3y ago
  Nonetheless I have to agree with both you and parent reply it's possible if it wasn't or trade wars it would've been easy to source batteries from china but who can control geo politics :)
  - rchaud 3y ago
    But Musk himself has said that American EV makers can't compete against Chinese EVs without trade barriers. Barriers that western governments have been more than happy to establish. > "If there are no trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world," he said. "They're extremely good." https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
- krapp 3y ago
  "Achieving a lot for technology" does not put one above criticism.
- kibwen 3y ago
  > The craziest thing is I wouldn't call it crazy to point to someone with a documented history of lying and say that their word can't be trusted. Rather, that's called basic pattern recognition.
  - rchaud 3y ago
    One man's lie is another man's "4D chess move".
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    - cool_dude85 3y ago
      The dancing robot has to be more than a 4D chess move. That's gotta be at least 7 or 8 D chess.
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- jshen 3y ago
  Integrity matters. He has none. You can't say things that aren't true over and over and expect to be believed the next time.
  - brianbreslin 3y ago
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- perfect_wave 3y ago
  Or maybe, just maybe, it’s that the dude spews whatever out of his mouth and the broader public and media take him at his word when time again its been seen that his word doesn’t mean shit.
- willsmith72 3y ago
  both are true. he's achieved amazing things, seriously pushing technology forwards he also makes outlandish public claims which are ridiculous at the time and get worse with age. you can appreciate what he's done while simultaneously believing 0% of what leaves his mouth
- colingoodman 3y ago
  He has a notorious habit of overpromising and underdelivering. I thought that habit of his was well established even before he became so vocally political.
  - astrodust 3y ago
    You have to wonder if working for four or five different companies while, allegedly, being on _all the drugs_ has an impact on his performance. If Musk ran Apple we'd still be waiting on the iPhone XS, though he'd insist it'll be ready by "end of year", a phone that launched around the time Musk was crowing about these trucks.
  - jdewerd 3y ago
    It was, but it was the politics that swung the opinion pendulum from pathological "admire wins, ignore losses" to pathological "ignore wins, disparage losses."
- lukefreiler 3y ago
  As an early owner of a Model S with FSD, he's also made a lot of objectively false claims that burned customers and have nothing to do with politics.
- bradjohnson 3y ago
  He successfully marketed and monetized an industry that already existed and would continue to exist without him, then reinvested in that industry to make himself more money. The way you and some others talk about him you would think he invented batteries and was the first one to discover you can use electricity to make a car move.
theultdev 3y ago
Man the critics here about deadlines is astounding. I wonder how many deadlines that people miss here, and that's usually just pure software, no materials.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Vendors missing deadlines on contracts is a valid reason for contracts being terminated, renewals being cancelled, and even litigation over breach of contract or even misrepresentation (depending on how angry the customer is). There's a reason why PepsiCo partners are moving to Daimler now.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    Production of EVs is hard. There's a reason why Ford lost 1.3B in the first quarter of 2024 ($3B in 2023) on EVs and is slowing production. Overall Tesla is producing more EVs than any American company by far. Yes, meeting the semi production goal would have been nice, but I'd rather consumer car production be prioritized.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      But their consumer sales have collapsed, the market has more competitors than ever, and the second hand market is flooded with cheap model 3's.
      - theultdev 3y ago
        Isn't that a good thing that the market is flooded with cheap model 3's? That's the goal isn't it? Cheaper EVs for everyone to replace ICE cars? I keep hearing about competitors, but I never see any of their EVs, new or used. I see Teslas everywhere. And cheap model 3's may "hurt" Tesla, but it hurts every other EV maker too. Good for the consumer though.
        philosopher1234 3y ago
detourdog 3y ago
I expect this news to have a positive effect. I wonder if an individual might own so much stock that they can overwhelm the short market for small durations. The price jump yesterday made no sense to me.
aaron695 3y ago
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harborsong 3y ago

The craziest thing is, regardless how people feel about politics, Musk has achieved a lot for technology yet people in technology forums disparage him. I guess politics trumps technology.

uuddlrlrbaba 3y ago
The parroted introduction has me reading this comment in bad faith, but I'll bite anyway. What are some of his personal tech achievements? Emphasis on personal.
PaywallBuster 3y ago
Nonetheless I have to agree with both you and parent reply it's possible if it wasn't or trade wars it would've been easy to source batteries from china but who can control geo politics :)
- rchaud 3y ago
  But Musk himself has said that American EV makers can't compete against Chinese EVs without trade barriers. Barriers that western governments have been more than happy to establish. > "If there are no trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world," he said. "They're extremely good." https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
krapp 3y ago
"Achieving a lot for technology" does not put one above criticism.
kibwen 3y ago
> The craziest thing is I wouldn't call it crazy to point to someone with a documented history of lying and say that their word can't be trusted. Rather, that's called basic pattern recognition.
- rchaud 3y ago
  One man's lie is another man's "4D chess move".
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  - cool_dude85 3y ago
    The dancing robot has to be more than a 4D chess move. That's gotta be at least 7 or 8 D chess.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
jshen 3y ago
Integrity matters. He has none. You can't say things that aren't true over and over and expect to be believed the next time.
- brianbreslin 3y ago
  [flagged]
perfect_wave 3y ago
Or maybe, just maybe, it’s that the dude spews whatever out of his mouth and the broader public and media take him at his word when time again its been seen that his word doesn’t mean shit.
willsmith72 3y ago
both are true. he's achieved amazing things, seriously pushing technology forwards he also makes outlandish public claims which are ridiculous at the time and get worse with age. you can appreciate what he's done while simultaneously believing 0% of what leaves his mouth
colingoodman 3y ago
He has a notorious habit of overpromising and underdelivering. I thought that habit of his was well established even before he became so vocally political.
- astrodust 3y ago
  You have to wonder if working for four or five different companies while, allegedly, being on _all the drugs_ has an impact on his performance. If Musk ran Apple we'd still be waiting on the iPhone XS, though he'd insist it'll be ready by "end of year", a phone that launched around the time Musk was crowing about these trucks.
- jdewerd 3y ago
  It was, but it was the politics that swung the opinion pendulum from pathological "admire wins, ignore losses" to pathological "ignore wins, disparage losses."
lukefreiler 3y ago
As an early owner of a Model S with FSD, he's also made a lot of objectively false claims that burned customers and have nothing to do with politics.
bradjohnson 3y ago
He successfully marketed and monetized an industry that already existed and would continue to exist without him, then reinvested in that industry to make himself more money. The way you and some others talk about him you would think he invented batteries and was the first one to discover you can use electricity to make a car move.

theultdev 3y ago

Man the critics here about deadlines is astounding. I wonder how many deadlines that people miss here, and that's usually just pure software, no materials.

alephnerd 3y ago
Vendors missing deadlines on contracts is a valid reason for contracts being terminated, renewals being cancelled, and even litigation over breach of contract or even misrepresentation (depending on how angry the customer is). There's a reason why PepsiCo partners are moving to Daimler now.
- theultdev 3y ago
  Production of EVs is hard. There's a reason why Ford lost 1.3B in the first quarter of 2024 ($3B in 2023) on EVs and is slowing production. Overall Tesla is producing more EVs than any American company by far. Yes, meeting the semi production goal would have been nice, but I'd rather consumer car production be prioritized.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    But their consumer sales have collapsed, the market has more competitors than ever, and the second hand market is flooded with cheap model 3's.
    - theultdev 3y ago
      Isn't that a good thing that the market is flooded with cheap model 3's? That's the goal isn't it? Cheaper EVs for everyone to replace ICE cars? I keep hearing about competitors, but I never see any of their EVs, new or used. I see Teslas everywhere. And cheap model 3's may "hurt" Tesla, but it hurts every other EV maker too. Good for the consumer though.
      - philosopher1234 3y ago

detourdog 3y ago

I expect this news to have a positive effect. I wonder if an individual might own so much stock that they can overwhelm the short market for small durations. The price jump yesterday made no sense to me.

aaron695 3y ago

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