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Jobs exact words where: "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way." Which is arguably worse, since all of Apples official statements

by josefx 2y ago

Jobs exact words where: "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way." Which is arguably worse, since all of Apples official statements on that case contained that bit of intentional gaslighting at the beginning. The iPhone 4 did not just have "sensitive areas", it completely exposed the antenna, causing it to short circuit from normal use.

thebruce87m 2y ago
I know the history of it, I followed it closely at the time. That’s why I pointed out that the quote was wrong ( and got downvoted ). I expect the same will happen to you since you posted the correct quote.
- figassis 2y ago
  I’m sure you understand why you were downvoted and that it has nothing to do with what facts you stated.
  - thebruce87m 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - rezonant 2y ago
      Complaining about downvoting is bad form. If you are temporarily downvoted on a post and react by editing it to complain, that's a surefire way for that post to remain negative on its point balance.
      - thebruce87m 2y ago
        I’m not scared by downvotes. I called out bad form as I interpreted it, just as you are you are doing now. Posting facts in HN should not warrant downvotes. Neither should reasonable discussions.
        dang 2y ago
        You posted 10 comments about this. That's way too much, and the site guidelines specifically ask people not to comment about downvotes because "it never does any good and makes boring reading": https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You're quite right, of course, that people vote with feelings and ignore facts, but you're wrong about that being specific to Apple. It's true of everything, and therefore it is not interesting (although it certainly is annoying). We want HN threads to be for interesting conversation.
- patates 2y ago
  "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way" practically means "you are holding it wrong".
  - thebruce87m 2y ago
    So if I tell a user a workaround for a software issue, and they turn round and accuse me of telling them they are using the software wrong I have to agree with them?
    - patates 2y ago
      In that statement it wasn't 1) acknowledged that this is indeed an issue and 2) the word workaround was not used.
      - thebruce87m 2y ago
        See my above statement. If someone reports issues with software you don’t immediately say it’s definitely a bug unto you fully understand it. Hardware is no different. We do not know if they were in a position to say either way at the time.
        patates 2y ago
        They simply said it's not a bug at first, then after the backslash, went back and admitted that it is.
        thebruce87m 2y ago
        I have been told by a mod that I am replying too much to this conversation (?) and I therefore cannot address your point. It’s a shame as I think it is interesting to see how people perceive things with hindsight specifically related to apple and how engineers who presumably work on similar problems cannot apply the same logic to apple but I am forced to stop the conversation. This will be my last comment on any thread related to this and I am rethinking my contributions to HN.
gareim 2y ago
Curious definition of "exact". > Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases. - Steve Jobs
- josefx 2y ago
  The sentence I cited is from an Ars Technica article and directly attributed to Jobs. Your text is essentially an extended version of that, but I cannot find any site that attributes it directly to Jobs. It also does double down on the gaslighting by insisting that it isn't bad design but "a fact of life" and consistent with any other mobile phone.

by josefx 2y ago

thebruce87m 2y ago

I know the history of it, I followed it closely at the time. That’s why I pointed out that the quote was wrong ( and got downvoted ). I expect the same will happen to you since you posted the correct quote.

figassis 2y ago
I’m sure you understand why you were downvoted and that it has nothing to do with what facts you stated.
- thebruce87m 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - rezonant 2y ago
    Complaining about downvoting is bad form. If you are temporarily downvoted on a post and react by editing it to complain, that's a surefire way for that post to remain negative on its point balance.
    - thebruce87m 2y ago
      I’m not scared by downvotes. I called out bad form as I interpreted it, just as you are you are doing now. Posting facts in HN should not warrant downvotes. Neither should reasonable discussions.
      - dang 2y ago
        You posted 10 comments about this. That's way too much, and the site guidelines specifically ask people not to comment about downvotes because "it never does any good and makes boring reading": https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You're quite right, of course, that people vote with feelings and ignore facts, but you're wrong about that being specific to Apple. It's true of everything, and therefore it is not interesting (although it certainly is annoying). We want HN threads to be for interesting conversation.
patates 2y ago
"All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way" practically means "you are holding it wrong".
- thebruce87m 2y ago
  So if I tell a user a workaround for a software issue, and they turn round and accuse me of telling them they are using the software wrong I have to agree with them?
  - patates 2y ago
    In that statement it wasn't 1) acknowledged that this is indeed an issue and 2) the word workaround was not used.
    - thebruce87m 2y ago
      See my above statement. If someone reports issues with software you don’t immediately say it’s definitely a bug unto you fully understand it. Hardware is no different. We do not know if they were in a position to say either way at the time.
      - patates 2y ago
        They simply said it's not a bug at first, then after the backslash, went back and admitted that it is.
        thebruce87m 2y ago
        I have been told by a mod that I am replying too much to this conversation (?) and I therefore cannot address your point. It’s a shame as I think it is interesting to see how people perceive things with hindsight specifically related to apple and how engineers who presumably work on similar problems cannot apply the same logic to apple but I am forced to stop the conversation. This will be my last comment on any thread related to this and I am rethinking my contributions to HN.

gareim 2y ago

Curious definition of "exact". > Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases. - Steve Jobs

josefx 2y ago
The sentence I cited is from an Ars Technica article and directly attributed to Jobs. Your text is essentially an extended version of that, but I cannot find any site that attributes it directly to Jobs. It also does double down on the gaslighting by insisting that it isn't bad design but "a fact of life" and consistent with any other mobile phone.