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> plenty of people with green headbands in news photos/videos I've seen over the past couple of months > There's stuff like this I'm personally interested onl
by jhanschoo 2y ago
> plenty of people with green headbands in news photos/videos I've seen over the past couple of months
> There's stuff like this
I'm personally interested only in the student encampments. There are many other protests trying to join the momentum, but there are all kinds of extremists with different objectives and the students protesting in encampments would have the discipline and means to put out their consistent message and demand of ending excess civilian deaths and divestiture, and controlling access to others trying to co-opt their protest.
> The letters sent by Ivy leagues right after Oct 7th are probably the most damning.
I would draw a distinction between those letters and the current protests on encampment.
> There's plenty of videos with people chanting "river to the sea"
> organization who literally sabotaged the attempt we had to form a Palestinian state.
They have chanted "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". I'm not a fan of the slogan either, as it expresses a desire for freedom without a more concrete demand for a particular solution (which may be peaceful or not); a listener who hears it interprets it as the solution that they expect the person saying it to want. The phrase "the phrase from the river to the sea" is not a Hamas thing, and Wikipedia can tell you that people of various persuasions have used it for their cause.
Presumably, they have the same desire as you.
> Right now all pro-Palestinian demonstrations are (intentionally or not) pro Hamas.
I disagree. If you think that Israel is conducting war crimes in Gaza against Palestine civilians in its retaliation against Hamas, as it has been accused of, then the protest is a request for Israel to do it without doing such war crimes. For example, you can condemn acts of genocide by the US government against indigenous peoples during their colonial expansion without also considering that to be showing support for perpetrators of indigenous terrorist violence against the US, even though it might embolden their expressed casus belli.
> They are encouraged by these demonstrations and see them as a sign of Israels imminent demise. That's why they're refusing the deals on the table and the war won't end.
I don't think you can say with any certainty how such protests affect any decision made by Hamas.
- invalidname 2y ago> > Right now all pro-Palestinian demonstrations are (intentionally or not) pro Hamas. > > I disagree. If you think that Israel is conducting war crimes in Gaza against Palestine civilians in its retaliation against Hamas, as it has been accused of, then the protest is a request for Israel to do it without doing such war crimes. If that was the case you would have Israeli flags too. But Israelis who are for a two state solution were barred entry. Also the claims of war-crimes are problematic since the facts are so distorted with lies. A lot of the claims made by sources on the ground prove to be false after scrutiny. > I don't think you can say with any certainty how such protests affect any decision made by Hamas. It's a fact that they keep rejecting deals they said they would accept. Also he can: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/message-from-a-gazan-to-campus-protesters-youre-hurting-the-palestinian-cause-opinion/ar-AA1nFvT7 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/message-from-a-gazan-to...