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Can you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?

neverokay 2y ago
It’s bad news for regular folks who will be clicking those install links with no protection from the App Store. The majority of people have been kept safe up until now.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
  If it’s the Apple we all know, they will probably have to click through about 14 warnings to be able to do this. Someone might make the point that this is not enough of a deterrent, but I’ll counter with the fact that browsers helped make https a thing by giving an ugly looking sign whenever http came around and it definitely helped
- realusername 2y ago
  Why people are acting like the appstore is somehow safe? The top apps are casino-like games which aren't that far off malware. Not something I would like my family to use in any case.
  - tgv 2y ago
    So adding more of those is the answer?
    - realusername 2y ago
      Why would there be more outside the appstore since the appstore is fine with them? I expect apps predominantly rejected from the appstore to try to go outside it and those casino-like scams are accepted on the appstore.
      - tgv 2y ago
        Of course there will be more backdoored, hacked spyware outside the appstore, because there's no oversight for side-loading. And if some game dev says "hey, you can get rid of the ads by side loading" then quite a lot of people are going to do that. They don't understand security.
        realusername 2y ago
        I don't see how appstore reviews (because that's the only thing that changes compared to an install from a website) can prevent much spyware to happen. Only the most obvious stuff could possibly get caught in these processes. Having passed the appstore review myself, they are nothing but very shallow (except for anything touching their revenue streams of course) Saying that the phone will be full of malware with a normal install is just saying with other words that the iPhone sandboxing is trash, which it really isn't, it's well made.
        neverokay 2y ago
        You may be not be aware of or simply have forgotten ever visiting a friend or family’s computer where all kinds of AskJeeeves toolbars are installed from god knows where. Many people I know managed to have entire pop ups installed soon as they start their computer. I’m not worried about you or me. The EU is just wrong on this one. They are making the worst assumption about the average user, and that’s that they are tech savvy.
        realusername 2y ago
        > You may be not be aware of or simply have forgotten ever visiting a friend or family’s computer where all kinds of AskJeeeves toolbars are installed from god knows where. And how are you going to make those OS-wide popups with the iOS sandbox exactly? Be sure that if apps could make it, they already would, appstore reviews or not. There's some very strange communication on Apple side saying simultaneously that their phone is the most secure thing in the world on their website and pretending to the EU that it's Swiss cheese and that manual reviews kind of save the day instead. They have to pick one. > I’m not worried about you or me. The EU is just wrong on this one. No, I believe the EU is right here but very late to the party and not even pushing far enough if I'm being honest. There's some talks need to allow OS reinstalls and I don't see any yet.
sakex 2y ago
Someone could steal the iPad and boot a different OS from a hard drive
- callalex 2y ago
  That’s not what side loading is and that’s not how apple silicon’s secure boot works.
klaushardt 2y ago
I bet it will happen that some apps i now use, which are in the regualar app store, will be pulled in favor of a own app store which has more tracking and maybe even cost money. So it will be a downgrade if now working apps move to an ad and tracking app store which are not privacy sensitive like iAds.
- Kbelicius 2y ago
  > I bet it will happen that some apps i now use, which are in the regualar app store, will be pulled in favor of a own app store which has more tracking and maybe even cost money. Did not happen for Andorid so there is no reason to think that it will happen in this case. Also, how would an app installed from another store be able to track you more if you are using the same OS. That just sounds like bad OS design from Apple.
- sevagh 2y ago
  That's what your app creators want, you should be happy for them to have the freedom to distribute their product to you as they see fit.
lynx23 2y ago
Barring temptation, the "feature" will hopefully not directly affect me. But since I am not an egoist, I tend to also think about other people...
- lupusreal 2y ago
  Personally I think other people should be welded into their homes to protect them from all the dangers they might face outside. If they opened their doors they would be subjected to all manner of hazards and risks like crime or being hit by a bus, and I'm not an egoist so.. weld them in!
  - lynx23 2y ago
    Very constructive comment, thanks you! So, me liking the AppStore checks as an extra security measure leads to you suggesting people should be welded into their homes. That is totally sane and absolutely not childish.

It’s bad news for regular folks who will be clicking those install links with no protection from the App Store. The majority of people have been kept safe up until now.

SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
If it’s the Apple we all know, they will probably have to click through about 14 warnings to be able to do this. Someone might make the point that this is not enough of a deterrent, but I’ll counter with the fact that browsers helped make https a thing by giving an ugly looking sign whenever http came around and it definitely helped
realusername 2y ago
Why people are acting like the appstore is somehow safe? The top apps are casino-like games which aren't that far off malware. Not something I would like my family to use in any case.
- tgv 2y ago
  So adding more of those is the answer?
  - realusername 2y ago
    Why would there be more outside the appstore since the appstore is fine with them? I expect apps predominantly rejected from the appstore to try to go outside it and those casino-like scams are accepted on the appstore.
    - tgv 2y ago
      Of course there will be more backdoored, hacked spyware outside the appstore, because there's no oversight for side-loading. And if some game dev says "hey, you can get rid of the ads by side loading" then quite a lot of people are going to do that. They don't understand security.
      - realusername 2y ago
        I don't see how appstore reviews (because that's the only thing that changes compared to an install from a website) can prevent much spyware to happen. Only the most obvious stuff could possibly get caught in these processes. Having passed the appstore review myself, they are nothing but very shallow (except for anything touching their revenue streams of course) Saying that the phone will be full of malware with a normal install is just saying with other words that the iPhone sandboxing is trash, which it really isn't, it's well made.
        neverokay 2y ago
        You may be not be aware of or simply have forgotten ever visiting a friend or family’s computer where all kinds of AskJeeeves toolbars are installed from god knows where. Many people I know managed to have entire pop ups installed soon as they start their computer. I’m not worried about you or me. The EU is just wrong on this one. They are making the worst assumption about the average user, and that’s that they are tech savvy.
        realusername 2y ago
        > You may be not be aware of or simply have forgotten ever visiting a friend or family’s computer where all kinds of AskJeeeves toolbars are installed from god knows where. And how are you going to make those OS-wide popups with the iOS sandbox exactly? Be sure that if apps could make it, they already would, appstore reviews or not. There's some very strange communication on Apple side saying simultaneously that their phone is the most secure thing in the world on their website and pretending to the EU that it's Swiss cheese and that manual reviews kind of save the day instead. They have to pick one. > I’m not worried about you or me. The EU is just wrong on this one. No, I believe the EU is right here but very late to the party and not even pushing far enough if I'm being honest. There's some talks need to allow OS reinstalls and I don't see any yet.

sakex 2y ago

Someone could steal the iPad and boot a different OS from a hard drive

callalex 2y ago
That’s not what side loading is and that’s not how apple silicon’s secure boot works.

klaushardt 2y ago

I bet it will happen that some apps i now use, which are in the regualar app store, will be pulled in favor of a own app store which has more tracking and maybe even cost money. So it will be a downgrade if now working apps move to an ad and tracking app store which are not privacy sensitive like iAds.

Kbelicius 2y ago
> I bet it will happen that some apps i now use, which are in the regualar app store, will be pulled in favor of a own app store which has more tracking and maybe even cost money. Did not happen for Andorid so there is no reason to think that it will happen in this case. Also, how would an app installed from another store be able to track you more if you are using the same OS. That just sounds like bad OS design from Apple.
sevagh 2y ago
That's what your app creators want, you should be happy for them to have the freedom to distribute their product to you as they see fit.

lynx23 2y ago

Barring temptation, the "feature" will hopefully not directly affect me. But since I am not an egoist, I tend to also think about other people...

lupusreal 2y ago
Personally I think other people should be welded into their homes to protect them from all the dangers they might face outside. If they opened their doors they would be subjected to all manner of hazards and risks like crime or being hit by a bus, and I'm not an egoist so.. weld them in!
- lynx23 2y ago
  Very constructive comment, thanks you! So, me liking the AppStore checks as an extra security measure leads to you suggesting people should be welded into their homes. That is totally sane and absolutely not childish.