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Where are the internal promotions then? If there were enough of them, the masses would be chanting to remain at one company and build seniority. Job hopping is

Where are the internal promotions then? If there were enough of them, the masses would be chanting to remain at one company and build seniority. Job hopping is a consequence of companies’ nepotism and horizontal hiring strategies.

al_borland 3y ago
I think people lack patience. I worked my way up from an entry level admin position to a principal engineer. It probably took around 8-10 promotions. Some promotions took longer than I would have liked due to various economic conditions, and I took initiative to go above and beyond the job I was in at the time, but that’s generally what it takes. I didn’t mind it, as I found that work more interesting and enjoyable. I will agree that companies can and should do more to retain people if they want people to stick around. For instance, when I started there was a pension, which no longer exists. They also made it clear during the hiring process that they like people who stick around, though I don’t get that vibe anymore. At the same time, new hires need to be realistic. Some of them hired in and claimed to be experts, knowing everything there is to know about the job they were doing, in about 6 months, and started asked about promotions. First, promotions are reviewed annually, so expecting one after 6 months wasn’t realistic. Second, thinking they knew everything showed just how little they knew. They were still constantly asking for help and had large gaps, but instead of worrying about getting better to earn the promotion, they felt entitled to it after a very short period. I did the job they were doing, at some level, for about 6 years and there was still a ton of stuff I didn’t know (and still don’t)… and I wrote 90% of the documentation, procedures, and training material. I’ve only seen 1 or 2 people be reasonably self-sufficient in less than a year, and those people were never arrogant about it the way many others were, they still recognized there is always more to learn. While I might have been able to make more early in my career if I job hopped, I think I would have capped out at a lower level, as my biggest and most frequent promotions came during a period where my knowledge of the internals of the company were of a lot of value. That isn’t something that can be hired; it takes time.

al_borland 3y ago

I think people lack patience. I worked my way up from an entry level admin position to a principal engineer. It probably took around 8-10 promotions. Some promotions took longer than I would have liked due to various economic conditions, and I took initiative to go above and beyond the job I was in at the time, but that’s generally what it takes. I didn’t mind it, as I found that work more interesting and enjoyable. I will agree that companies can and should do more to retain people if they want people to stick around. For instance, when I started there was a pension, which no longer exists. They also made it clear during the hiring process that they like people who stick around, though I don’t get that vibe anymore. At the same time, new hires need to be realistic. Some of them hired in and claimed to be experts, knowing everything there is to know about the job they were doing, in about 6 months, and started asked about promotions. First, promotions are reviewed annually, so expecting one after 6 months wasn’t realistic. Second, thinking they knew everything showed just how little they knew. They were still constantly asking for help and had large gaps, but instead of worrying about getting better to earn the promotion, they felt entitled to it after a very short period. I did the job they were doing, at some level, for about 6 years and there was still a ton of stuff I didn’t know (and still don’t)… and I wrote 90% of the documentation, procedures, and training material. I’ve only seen 1 or 2 people be reasonably self-sufficient in less than a year, and those people were never arrogant about it the way many others were, they still recognized there is always more to learn. While I might have been able to make more early in my career if I job hopped, I think I would have capped out at a lower level, as my biggest and most frequent promotions came during a period where my knowledge of the internals of the company were of a lot of value. That isn’t something that can be hired; it takes time.