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I suspect gp is talking about industrial seed oils like corn, soybean, canola, though the nomenclature of "fake" is unhelpful. This paper [1] claims 8-10% of ou

I suspect gp is talking about industrial seed oils like corn, soybean, canola, though the nomenclature of "fake" is unhelpful. This paper [1] claims 8-10% of our energy intake is from these. 10% of our calories seems like it could be a big factor. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196963/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196963/

taeric 2y ago
I haven't gone down seed oil rabbit hole. I confess that sounds too conspiracy to me. My accusations were mainly on trans fats. And I ack that we've largely moved away from them. My suspicion is it will take time for that choice to fully take.
- code_biologist 2y ago
  I appreciate the clarification and apologies for the misread of your meaning. WRT seed oils, here's an article from a Cleveland Clinic dietician acknowledging the issues. Doesn't get more mainstream than that: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actual... If you ever dive down the rabbit hole of seed oil health, the place to start is the distorted omega-3 vs omega-6 fatty acid ratio ("The omega-6 to omega-3 ratio should be ideally 2:1 or 1:1, but for most Americans, the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1." from that article) and the downstream pro-inflammatory signaling resulting from omega-6 metabolites. Paleo and other alt health people say this causes low grade chronic inflammation, with inflammation mediated disease like arthritis, atherosclerosis, and depression as a further consequence.
  - taeric 2y ago
    Thanks for a link, I'll take a look later. I meant my admission to be that I am mainly arguing last decade's mistakes. Such that I know I'm behind. But trans fats were hella bad. And my understanding was they were widely used in 70s and 80s. I don't necessarily believe they are the only bad thing we used for a while. They were strikingly bad, though. Such that I do think it is likely a lot of other things were vilified with it.

taeric 2y ago

I haven't gone down seed oil rabbit hole. I confess that sounds too conspiracy to me. My accusations were mainly on trans fats. And I ack that we've largely moved away from them. My suspicion is it will take time for that choice to fully take.

code_biologist 2y ago
I appreciate the clarification and apologies for the misread of your meaning. WRT seed oils, here's an article from a Cleveland Clinic dietician acknowledging the issues. Doesn't get more mainstream than that: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actual... If you ever dive down the rabbit hole of seed oil health, the place to start is the distorted omega-3 vs omega-6 fatty acid ratio ("The omega-6 to omega-3 ratio should be ideally 2:1 or 1:1, but for most Americans, the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1." from that article) and the downstream pro-inflammatory signaling resulting from omega-6 metabolites. Paleo and other alt health people say this causes low grade chronic inflammation, with inflammation mediated disease like arthritis, atherosclerosis, and depression as a further consequence.
- taeric 2y ago
  Thanks for a link, I'll take a look later. I meant my admission to be that I am mainly arguing last decade's mistakes. Such that I know I'm behind. But trans fats were hella bad. And my understanding was they were widely used in 70s and 80s. I don't necessarily believe they are the only bad thing we used for a while. They were strikingly bad, though. Such that I do think it is likely a lot of other things were vilified with it.