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Are you talking about substances such as Olestra? Such non digestible oils are almost completely absent from most people’s diets, even those that eat lots of pr

Are you talking about substances such as Olestra? Such non digestible oils are almost completely absent from most people’s diets, even those that eat lots of processed foods. Not sure why it would be a big factor if hardly anyone consumes it.

taeric 3y ago
Trans fats were the worst. I don't quite fall into thinking seed oils are terrible, but I do suspect a lot of damage lingering from wide use of trans fats. I'm probably more thinking on how folks were told to avoid fats at all costs. And I do think that has changed for a time now. Though I still know folks that avoid things we were told were bad years ago. Bacon and eggs being easy examples. Butter, too. I'm not clear on sugar substitutes. Would help if I knew more people that used them without being severely unhealthy.
code_biologist 3y ago
I suspect gp is talking about industrial seed oils like corn, soybean, canola, though the nomenclature of "fake" is unhelpful. This paper [1] claims 8-10% of our energy intake is from these. 10% of our calories seems like it could be a big factor. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196963/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196963/
- taeric 3y ago
  I haven't gone down seed oil rabbit hole. I confess that sounds too conspiracy to me. My accusations were mainly on trans fats. And I ack that we've largely moved away from them. My suspicion is it will take time for that choice to fully take.
  - code_biologist 3y ago
    I appreciate the clarification and apologies for the misread of your meaning. WRT seed oils, here's an article from a Cleveland Clinic dietician acknowledging the issues. Doesn't get more mainstream than that: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actual... If you ever dive down the rabbit hole of seed oil health, the place to start is the distorted omega-3 vs omega-6 fatty acid ratio ("The omega-6 to omega-3 ratio should be ideally 2:1 or 1:1, but for most Americans, the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1." from that article) and the downstream pro-inflammatory signaling resulting from omega-6 metabolites. Paleo and other alt health people say this causes low grade chronic inflammation, with inflammation mediated disease like arthritis, atherosclerosis, and depression as a further consequence.
    - taeric 3y ago
      Thanks for a link, I'll take a look later. I meant my admission to be that I am mainly arguing last decade's mistakes. Such that I know I'm behind. But trans fats were hella bad. And my understanding was they were widely used in 70s and 80s. I don't necessarily believe they are the only bad thing we used for a while. They were strikingly bad, though. Such that I do think it is likely a lot of other things were vilified with it.

taeric 3y ago

Trans fats were the worst. I don't quite fall into thinking seed oils are terrible, but I do suspect a lot of damage lingering from wide use of trans fats. I'm probably more thinking on how folks were told to avoid fats at all costs. And I do think that has changed for a time now. Though I still know folks that avoid things we were told were bad years ago. Bacon and eggs being easy examples. Butter, too. I'm not clear on sugar substitutes. Would help if I knew more people that used them without being severely unhealthy.

code_biologist 3y ago

I suspect gp is talking about industrial seed oils like corn, soybean, canola, though the nomenclature of "fake" is unhelpful. This paper [1] claims 8-10% of our energy intake is from these. 10% of our calories seems like it could be a big factor. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196963/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6196963/

taeric 3y ago
I haven't gone down seed oil rabbit hole. I confess that sounds too conspiracy to me. My accusations were mainly on trans fats. And I ack that we've largely moved away from them. My suspicion is it will take time for that choice to fully take.
- code_biologist 3y ago
  I appreciate the clarification and apologies for the misread of your meaning. WRT seed oils, here's an article from a Cleveland Clinic dietician acknowledging the issues. Doesn't get more mainstream than that: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actually-toxic https://health.clevelandclinic.org/seed-oils-are-they-actual... If you ever dive down the rabbit hole of seed oil health, the place to start is the distorted omega-3 vs omega-6 fatty acid ratio ("The omega-6 to omega-3 ratio should be ideally 2:1 or 1:1, but for most Americans, the ratio is actually a whopping 10:1 or even 20:1." from that article) and the downstream pro-inflammatory signaling resulting from omega-6 metabolites. Paleo and other alt health people say this causes low grade chronic inflammation, with inflammation mediated disease like arthritis, atherosclerosis, and depression as a further consequence.
  - taeric 3y ago
    Thanks for a link, I'll take a look later. I meant my admission to be that I am mainly arguing last decade's mistakes. Such that I know I'm behind. But trans fats were hella bad. And my understanding was they were widely used in 70s and 80s. I don't necessarily believe they are the only bad thing we used for a while. They were strikingly bad, though. Such that I do think it is likely a lot of other things were vilified with it.