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>What was the issue with low-fat recommendation? AFAIK the issue wasn't with low-fat itself per se, but rather that fat was replaced with sugars for things to

by tssge 2y ago

>What was the issue with low-fat recommendation? AFAIK the issue wasn't with low-fat itself per se, but rather that fat was replaced with sugars for things to be palatable. This ended up being much more harmful than having fats, as sugar takes a toll on blood sugar levels and has high energy content itself. As things got labeled low-fat, people thought this meant a healthier alternative, when in fact it was worse or similar. The view that it was more healthy led to higher rates of consumption. I consider fats far more healthy than sugar, main issue with fats is their high amount of energy, but from blood sugar standpoint they're a non issue in my opinion. So yeah there's nothing bad with say no sugar low fat yoghurt healthwise. I eat such yoghurt sometimes and find the taste refreshing. However most people would consider this totally unpalatable as the taste is bitter, not creamy at all and so on. >Smarter changes than what? Smarter changes than calling low-fat same as healthy I guess. Careful as in not labeling omission of some nutrient as healthy outright.

pixl97 2y ago
Yea, it's like the entire industry forgot the premise of CI-CO. And when you get down to it, the palatable portion of the issue becomes the biggest problem. We suck all the fiber out of foods and feed it back to animals, and then leave the super high calorie portions to eat making it hyper easy to consume 10k kcals a day.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > Yea, it's like the entire industry forgot the premise of CI-CO. I don't think they forget, it's just not profitable to admit it or work it into their products. That makes me think of a Pratchett quote: > In fact, like a lot of [semaphore] towers, it was often manned by kids. Everyone knew it happened. Actually, the new management probably didn't, but wouldn't have done anything about it if they'd found out, apart from carefully forgetting that they'd known. Kids didn't need to be paid. -- Going Postal by Terry Pratchett For a bit more context, the semaphore towers in the plot are analogous to the early internet and issues of monopolies. > They'd come and hang around and do odd jobs and maybe pick up the craft of semaphore just by watching. They tended to be bright, they mastered the keyboard and levers as if by magic, they usually had good eyesight and what they were doing, most of them, was running away from home without actually leaving.
- tssge 2y ago
  >And when you get down to it, the palatable portion of the issue becomes the biggest problem. I find palatability an odd thing in the sense that there's the phenomenon of acquired taste. In my experience acquired taste applies the most towards bitter foods and drinks. I hated the zero-sugar low-fat yoghurt at first. It tasted horrible. The more I got into it however, the more I liked it's rather unique refreshing taste. It freshens the palate unlike any other food and as such I got used to the bitter taste and started to like it instead. Same thing with beer, it seems everyone hates beer when they taste it the first time. The more you get used to it however, the more you find the taste refreshing I feel. Nothing more refreshing than a cold beer on a hot summer day. >We suck all the fiber out of foods and feed it back to animals Fiber for me is somewhat similar. I really love fibrous, almost rock hard, full-grain rye bread. My jaw will get sore from eating that, but there's something to it to really have to chew it down. However I used to hate it and love soft bread in the past: the texture and it's chewiness is akin to an acquired taste.
- Kirby64 2y ago
  I’m sure you’re being hyperbolic, but consuming 10k calories per day shouldn’t be easy for anyone. No matter how hyper palatable your food is, 10k calories is an absolutely absurd amount of calories and would make most people feel sick. That said, it only takes a few extra hundred calories per day to make you gain 10s of pounds per year.
Terr_ 2y ago
> AFAIK the issue wasn't with low-fat itself per se, but rather that fat was replaced with sugars for things to be palatable. I remember one day I was walking through the grocery store, and was struck by the inanity of a package of candy-corn proudly declaring itself "Fat-Free!"

by tssge 2y ago

pixl97 2y ago

Yea, it's like the entire industry forgot the premise of CI-CO. And when you get down to it, the palatable portion of the issue becomes the biggest problem. We suck all the fiber out of foods and feed it back to animals, and then leave the super high calorie portions to eat making it hyper easy to consume 10k kcals a day.

Terr_ 2y ago
> Yea, it's like the entire industry forgot the premise of CI-CO. I don't think they forget, it's just not profitable to admit it or work it into their products. That makes me think of a Pratchett quote: > In fact, like a lot of [semaphore] towers, it was often manned by kids. Everyone knew it happened. Actually, the new management probably didn't, but wouldn't have done anything about it if they'd found out, apart from carefully forgetting that they'd known. Kids didn't need to be paid. -- Going Postal by Terry Pratchett For a bit more context, the semaphore towers in the plot are analogous to the early internet and issues of monopolies. > They'd come and hang around and do odd jobs and maybe pick up the craft of semaphore just by watching. They tended to be bright, they mastered the keyboard and levers as if by magic, they usually had good eyesight and what they were doing, most of them, was running away from home without actually leaving.
tssge 2y ago
>And when you get down to it, the palatable portion of the issue becomes the biggest problem. I find palatability an odd thing in the sense that there's the phenomenon of acquired taste. In my experience acquired taste applies the most towards bitter foods and drinks. I hated the zero-sugar low-fat yoghurt at first. It tasted horrible. The more I got into it however, the more I liked it's rather unique refreshing taste. It freshens the palate unlike any other food and as such I got used to the bitter taste and started to like it instead. Same thing with beer, it seems everyone hates beer when they taste it the first time. The more you get used to it however, the more you find the taste refreshing I feel. Nothing more refreshing than a cold beer on a hot summer day. >We suck all the fiber out of foods and feed it back to animals Fiber for me is somewhat similar. I really love fibrous, almost rock hard, full-grain rye bread. My jaw will get sore from eating that, but there's something to it to really have to chew it down. However I used to hate it and love soft bread in the past: the texture and it's chewiness is akin to an acquired taste.
Kirby64 2y ago
I’m sure you’re being hyperbolic, but consuming 10k calories per day shouldn’t be easy for anyone. No matter how hyper palatable your food is, 10k calories is an absolutely absurd amount of calories and would make most people feel sick. That said, it only takes a few extra hundred calories per day to make you gain 10s of pounds per year.

Terr_ 2y ago

> AFAIK the issue wasn't with low-fat itself per se, but rather that fat was replaced with sugars for things to be palatable. I remember one day I was walking through the grocery store, and was struck by the inanity of a package of candy-corn proudly declaring itself "Fat-Free!"