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This is blatant misinformation, and the legislators "discussing" this clearly barely know what the technology is, let alone the political and social ramificatio

This is blatant misinformation, and the legislators "discussing" this clearly barely know what the technology is, let alone the political and social ramifications for its use or misuse. Not even to mention that all the major social media platforms have similar invasions of privacy and skewed messaging on them - not at all unique to tiktok. There has been zero evidence of the CCP influencing what American citizens see on tiktok, it's pure speculation based on Bytedance being a Chinese company. And besides, if they wanted to, meta/YT/etc. make it trivially easy for them to do anyway - you don't even need tiktok or control of it. Unless your point is literally "The united states should be the only one spewing blatant propaganda to its citizens," what you're saying lacks any real substance and is just parroting talking heads on stations like fox and cnn.

blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
> Not even to mention that all the major social media platforms have similar invasions of privacy Really? Other social media platforms are exfiltrating US data to China after claiming it doesn’t happen under oath? https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tiktok-confirms-data-china-bytedance-security-cfius/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tikt... > There has been zero evidence of the CCP influencing what American citizens see on tiktok, it's pure speculation based on Bytedance being a Chinese company What sort of evidence could exist when it is a black box? Bytedance / TikTok are not transparent about any of it, and given that they are willing to lie under oath, why should anything they say be trusted at all? All we have is what people have studied in terms of the prevalence of certain messages and hashtags, and it is very clear from various evaluations of this, that TikTok is very skewed. And it seems to be skewed in the very ways that would create political chaos. > Unless your point is literally "The united states should be the only one spewing blatant propaganda to its citizens," what you're saying lacks any real substance and is just parroting talking heads on stations like fox and cnn. I wonder why TikTok’s parent company said they prefer to shut it down rather than sell it. It only makes it more clear that it is mainly a tool of the CCP. I am not sure what “blatant propaganda” you’re referring to, but creating any kind of equivalence between the US and the CCP is ridiculous.
- JohnMakin 3y ago
  > Really? Other social media platforms are exfiltrating US data to China after claiming it doesn’t happen under oath? This wasn't what your parent comment claimed - you claimed that the CCP was propagandizing people through the Tiktok platform. The "exfiltrating us data to china" is still a disputed claim as far as I'm aware, and even if true still doesn't support your original extraordinary claim. > What sort of evidence could exist when it is a black box? Bytedance / TikTok are not transparent about any of it, and given that they are willing to lie under oath, why should anything they say be trusted at all? All we have is what people have studied in terms of the prevalence of certain messages and hashtags, and it is very clear from various evaluations of this, that TikTok is very skewed. And it seems to be skewed in the very ways that would create political chaos. I guess then you can speculate and make wild claim you want about it then - why stop there? > I wonder why TikTok’s parent company said they prefer to shut it down rather than sell it. It only makes it more clear that it is mainly a tool of the CCP. I am not sure what “blatant propaganda” you’re referring to, but creating any kind of equivalence between the US and the CCP is ridiculous. Nothing you've said makes anything "clear," and again, is pure speculation and regurgitating of actual propaganda on this topic. Now that I understand you're completely unserious, I can move on with my day. Have a good one
  - blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
    > This wasn't what your parent comment claimed I was responding to your comment, not my own parent comment. You used the word “privacy”. TikTok is clearly worse on privacy, and the link I shared is an example of that. > I guess then you can speculate and make wild claim you want about it then - why stop there? If your argument is nothing should be done because a company controlled by an adversarial government is hard to examine, then that’s not very convincing. Like I said, with what evidence is possible to collect, it shows that TikTok is highly skewed in an artificial and likely malicious way. > Now that I understand you're completely unserious, I can move on with my day From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: * Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.*

blackeyeblitzar 3y ago

> Not even to mention that all the major social media platforms have similar invasions of privacy Really? Other social media platforms are exfiltrating US data to China after claiming it doesn’t happen under oath? https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tiktok-confirms-data-china-bytedance-security-cfius/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandralevine/2023/06/21/tikt... > There has been zero evidence of the CCP influencing what American citizens see on tiktok, it's pure speculation based on Bytedance being a Chinese company What sort of evidence could exist when it is a black box? Bytedance / TikTok are not transparent about any of it, and given that they are willing to lie under oath, why should anything they say be trusted at all? All we have is what people have studied in terms of the prevalence of certain messages and hashtags, and it is very clear from various evaluations of this, that TikTok is very skewed. And it seems to be skewed in the very ways that would create political chaos. > Unless your point is literally "The united states should be the only one spewing blatant propaganda to its citizens," what you're saying lacks any real substance and is just parroting talking heads on stations like fox and cnn. I wonder why TikTok’s parent company said they prefer to shut it down rather than sell it. It only makes it more clear that it is mainly a tool of the CCP. I am not sure what “blatant propaganda” you’re referring to, but creating any kind of equivalence between the US and the CCP is ridiculous.

JohnMakin 3y ago
> Really? Other social media platforms are exfiltrating US data to China after claiming it doesn’t happen under oath? This wasn't what your parent comment claimed - you claimed that the CCP was propagandizing people through the Tiktok platform. The "exfiltrating us data to china" is still a disputed claim as far as I'm aware, and even if true still doesn't support your original extraordinary claim. > What sort of evidence could exist when it is a black box? Bytedance / TikTok are not transparent about any of it, and given that they are willing to lie under oath, why should anything they say be trusted at all? All we have is what people have studied in terms of the prevalence of certain messages and hashtags, and it is very clear from various evaluations of this, that TikTok is very skewed. And it seems to be skewed in the very ways that would create political chaos. I guess then you can speculate and make wild claim you want about it then - why stop there? > I wonder why TikTok’s parent company said they prefer to shut it down rather than sell it. It only makes it more clear that it is mainly a tool of the CCP. I am not sure what “blatant propaganda” you’re referring to, but creating any kind of equivalence between the US and the CCP is ridiculous. Nothing you've said makes anything "clear," and again, is pure speculation and regurgitating of actual propaganda on this topic. Now that I understand you're completely unserious, I can move on with my day. Have a good one
- blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
  > This wasn't what your parent comment claimed I was responding to your comment, not my own parent comment. You used the word “privacy”. TikTok is clearly worse on privacy, and the link I shared is an example of that. > I guess then you can speculate and make wild claim you want about it then - why stop there? If your argument is nothing should be done because a company controlled by an adversarial government is hard to examine, then that’s not very convincing. Like I said, with what evidence is possible to collect, it shows that TikTok is highly skewed in an artificial and likely malicious way. > Now that I understand you're completely unserious, I can move on with my day From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: * Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.*