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For the victims of Russia's imperialism, there have been many downsides, starting with deaths counting millions.

• thriftwy 2y ago
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  • The_Colonel 2y ago
    We already got to whataboutism and hypocrisy, no need to continue here.
    • thriftwy 2y ago
      But it was you who started it. You've attacked my identity by bringing up things that are not directly related to me. Then you complain about hypocricy. I've not asked you to assault me based on my ethnic identity.
      • krab 2y ago
        I don't see any attack on ethnic identity. Supporting Russian imperialism doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity. If anything, such support only hurts the Russian nation. I'm talking not only about the current loss of life. For at least the next twenty years, the Russians will have much harder time doing business with EU/USA. Such attitude has downgraded Russia in the world's eyes into an "armed gas station". I. e. can buy from them when they'll behave more or less, but don't expect to do any serious partnership.
        • thriftwy 2y ago
          If you ask me, "what's better, do business with EU/USA or have Crimea", of course I will pick Crimea every time. It's just feels pragmatically more useful to me, like how co-owning a bungalow on a sea shore is better than holding a Costco membership, if you had to pick just one. That would be before the war, and as the war has started, based on the actions of EU/USA I have very little desire for Russia to engage in much business with either one. Let's keep it formal from now. I can see in neighbour thread somebody perceiving there is no room for dialogue, which they treat as an optional thing and the one which is mostly benefical for the other party. Guess what, many Russians now treat business with USA/EU in the same fashion. Nice to have, but not essential and may be downwound on occasions.
          • krab 2y ago
            How do you (or anyone) personally benefit from "having Crimea"?
            • thriftwy 2y ago
              You can obviously travel there and see all the Imperial palaces and gardens, swim the sea, visit the museums and have a really good time. In awesome weather, which is of short supply in what's left of mainland Russia. On the other hand, the usefulness of cordial relations with EU/USA is debatable. You could make a point that if Russia had good relations with Ukraine, Russians could travel there on their own by just crossing that border. However, Ukraine shown by their repeated maidan coups and anti-Russian rhetoric that they can't be relied upon.
              • racional 2y ago
                Unfortunately Putin's idea of "good relations with Ukraine" is a situation where the latter is greatly reduced in territorial scope, and whatever remains is kept as a pliant vassal state. With thousands of civilians slaughtered and maimed, just to make a point.
                • thriftwy 2y ago
                  As Eador quotes, "dying is the way of men". Ukraine's reduction is someone else's problem. For some reason, Russian Federation did act like it was a nursery home for ex-Soviet independent states, but there's no obligation to put their interests past our own.
                  • racional 2y ago
                    "Dying is the way of men" Putin's attitude towards his own people, basically.
              • krab 2y ago
                I mean, you could have travelled there even before the 2014 hostilities began. So it's not like you gained anything in that regard, right? Now if Russia loses it, the travel there might be more difficult for some time.
  • dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
    > > For the victims of Russia's imperialism, there have been many downsides, starting with deaths counting millions. > Oh come on, communism had a hundred million of confirmed victims and I see Californians arguing for communism every week. On HN. You are changing the subject completely. We are not talking about communism, it has another set of victims, but about Russian imperialism.