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30% of Children Ages 5-7 Are Watching TV > People nowadays are letting their TVs be nannies instead of caring about their children. > This is fundamentally di

30% of Children Ages 5-7 Are Watching TV > People nowadays are letting their TVs be nannies instead of caring about their children. > This is fundamentally different from the last thousands of years because <some bullshit>

dmm 2y ago
People were panicking about opioid abuse in the 80s therefore concerns about fentanyl today are invalid. People were worried about computer security 30 years ago therefore computer security is nothing to worry about today. Russian aggression was a concern throughout the 20th century yet we are still here, Ukraine shouldn't worry so much. What is this general form of argument called? Appeal to nothing-ever-happens?
- dj_mc_merlin 2y ago
  Your examples are decades old. People have been worrying about technology spoiling their children since we've had writing. Are you arguing you were ruined by TVs and computers growing up? Or satanic music?
  - cheeseomlit 2y ago
    Are you arguing that TVs and computers are not capable of ruining lives? There are a legion of washed up WoW addicts that would indicate they can, to name one example
  - atonse 2y ago
    The difference is that those other technologies weren't fine tuned to individuals to literally short-circuit their brains to get the most perfect amount of dopamine at the right time to keep them addicted. People aren't getting addicted as a side-effect. Addiction is the primary-effect of the way the companies have designed these experiences, and addition (or the more harmless term "customer engagement") is a direct measure of success at these companies. So the analogy breaks down pretty quickly. They're more like Slot machines, which are highly regulated and age-gated.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    Instagram's Tik Tok rip off, Youtube's Tik Tok rip off, the original to some extent etc are way worse than whatever we grew up with. At least I believe so. It is just a gut feeling though. Like, it is poison due to the manipulative algorithmic feeds, or something. Like how Facebook turned into a genocide enabler in 2013 something when they added their crappy non chronological feed. The format in it self is probably OK, as in, short amusing videos.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  Parents have been complaining about books, tv, radio... If your an American of a certain age Tipper gore was complaining about music corrupting children.... Moving the goal posts all the time is a terrible means to form an argument.
  - partiallypro 2y ago
    When your kid is reading a book, watching TV, radio, playing a video game, etc you still have a -general- idea of what the kid is into. When it comes to something like TikTok, YouTube, etc they are one swipe away from literally anything. I don't think a kid 5-7 years of age can truly grasp it. I've been very online for a long time, but I don't think that really started until I was 15 or so. A 5-7 year old kid having access to certain thing is just awful parenting.
    - zer00eyz 2y ago
      > "Explicit material is available in a variety of forums - from popular music to television to the Internet." Tipper Gore The more things change the more they stay the same. > A 5-7 year old kid having access to certain thing is just awful parenting. Sure is, but what do you want a system where we have to license people before the can have kids? Because there have been quite a few dumb, irresponsible parents that have birth brilliance.
      - partiallypro 2y ago
        > The more things change the more they stay the same. Comparing this to Tipper Gore is so ridiculous. It's as to write off potential concerns because she was against video games and rap music, then applying that logic to an algorithm that is specifically designed to draw you in and make you consume. Forums and Newsgroups were also much harder to find. Google didn't even exist at that point (or at the very least wasn't popularized); it took minutes to get a single "explicit" image to load. Not only that, but the idea of a "filter bubble" didn't exist, because generally speaking information was harder to find, but also more diverse once you found it. That isn't true once you're sucked into an algorithm. I said in another post, I think you could let a kid explore around the age of 13 on these platforms. It's still probably not healthy, but 5 years old? That's insanity, and for the numbers to be near 30% is outrageous. >but what do you want a system where we have to license people before the can have kids? Weird jump in logic here. I was never suggesting this. You can be concerned about something and not want such drastic measures. That is usually how adults operate. Teenager logic deals in absolutes like this.
zer00eyz 2y ago
There is an XKCD that covers this topic: https://xkcd.com/1601/ https://xkcd.com/1601/
- _blz2 2y ago
  In all earnestness, do you think reading books has the same effect as doom scrolling on tiktok?
  - tstrimple 2y ago
    And I'm sure all those parents bitching about video games and dungeons and dragons were patting themselves on the back over how they weren't as ridiculous as their parents thinking that the problem with the youth was rock and roll music and dancing which includes moving your hips. They finally had it figured out for real this time. Not like the hundreds of generations before panicking over basically nothing.
    - _blz2 2y ago
      The question was, in all earnestness, do you really believe children reading books has the same detrimental effect on a child's development as social media and phones do?
- luzojeda 2y ago
  Just because it is in xkcd doesn't make the argument valid, correct and smart. A book doesn't give you access to the content produced by billions of people instantly, neither music, refined apps where people that earn more than six figures work daily to ensure you spend more and more time on them. Neither does a TV. They are not the same.
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    You realize that we went from mass illiteracy to over 50 percent in less than 200 years. From town criers to printed papers. Candidly the current landscape is a drop in a long full bucket, printing press, papers, radio, film, television, music, the internet, video games all of these things were going to "destroy the children" and yet somehow we managed to survive. You like all those before you a prognosticating our doom because the world is not the one you grew up in.
aaron695 2y ago
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CatWChainsaw 2y ago
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dmm 2y ago

People were panicking about opioid abuse in the 80s therefore concerns about fentanyl today are invalid. People were worried about computer security 30 years ago therefore computer security is nothing to worry about today. Russian aggression was a concern throughout the 20th century yet we are still here, Ukraine shouldn't worry so much. What is this general form of argument called? Appeal to nothing-ever-happens?

dj_mc_merlin 2y ago
Your examples are decades old. People have been worrying about technology spoiling their children since we've had writing. Are you arguing you were ruined by TVs and computers growing up? Or satanic music?
- cheeseomlit 2y ago
  Are you arguing that TVs and computers are not capable of ruining lives? There are a legion of washed up WoW addicts that would indicate they can, to name one example
- atonse 2y ago
  The difference is that those other technologies weren't fine tuned to individuals to literally short-circuit their brains to get the most perfect amount of dopamine at the right time to keep them addicted. People aren't getting addicted as a side-effect. Addiction is the primary-effect of the way the companies have designed these experiences, and addition (or the more harmless term "customer engagement") is a direct measure of success at these companies. So the analogy breaks down pretty quickly. They're more like Slot machines, which are highly regulated and age-gated.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  Instagram's Tik Tok rip off, Youtube's Tik Tok rip off, the original to some extent etc are way worse than whatever we grew up with. At least I believe so. It is just a gut feeling though. Like, it is poison due to the manipulative algorithmic feeds, or something. Like how Facebook turned into a genocide enabler in 2013 something when they added their crappy non chronological feed. The format in it self is probably OK, as in, short amusing videos.
zer00eyz 2y ago
Parents have been complaining about books, tv, radio... If your an American of a certain age Tipper gore was complaining about music corrupting children.... Moving the goal posts all the time is a terrible means to form an argument.
- partiallypro 2y ago
  When your kid is reading a book, watching TV, radio, playing a video game, etc you still have a -general- idea of what the kid is into. When it comes to something like TikTok, YouTube, etc they are one swipe away from literally anything. I don't think a kid 5-7 years of age can truly grasp it. I've been very online for a long time, but I don't think that really started until I was 15 or so. A 5-7 year old kid having access to certain thing is just awful parenting.
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    > "Explicit material is available in a variety of forums - from popular music to television to the Internet." Tipper Gore The more things change the more they stay the same. > A 5-7 year old kid having access to certain thing is just awful parenting. Sure is, but what do you want a system where we have to license people before the can have kids? Because there have been quite a few dumb, irresponsible parents that have birth brilliance.
    - partiallypro 2y ago
      > The more things change the more they stay the same. Comparing this to Tipper Gore is so ridiculous. It's as to write off potential concerns because she was against video games and rap music, then applying that logic to an algorithm that is specifically designed to draw you in and make you consume. Forums and Newsgroups were also much harder to find. Google didn't even exist at that point (or at the very least wasn't popularized); it took minutes to get a single "explicit" image to load. Not only that, but the idea of a "filter bubble" didn't exist, because generally speaking information was harder to find, but also more diverse once you found it. That isn't true once you're sucked into an algorithm. I said in another post, I think you could let a kid explore around the age of 13 on these platforms. It's still probably not healthy, but 5 years old? That's insanity, and for the numbers to be near 30% is outrageous. >but what do you want a system where we have to license people before the can have kids? Weird jump in logic here. I was never suggesting this. You can be concerned about something and not want such drastic measures. That is usually how adults operate. Teenager logic deals in absolutes like this.

zer00eyz 2y ago

There is an XKCD that covers this topic: https://xkcd.com/1601/ https://xkcd.com/1601/

_blz2 2y ago
In all earnestness, do you think reading books has the same effect as doom scrolling on tiktok?
- tstrimple 2y ago
  And I'm sure all those parents bitching about video games and dungeons and dragons were patting themselves on the back over how they weren't as ridiculous as their parents thinking that the problem with the youth was rock and roll music and dancing which includes moving your hips. They finally had it figured out for real this time. Not like the hundreds of generations before panicking over basically nothing.
  - _blz2 2y ago
    The question was, in all earnestness, do you really believe children reading books has the same detrimental effect on a child's development as social media and phones do?
luzojeda 2y ago
Just because it is in xkcd doesn't make the argument valid, correct and smart. A book doesn't give you access to the content produced by billions of people instantly, neither music, refined apps where people that earn more than six figures work daily to ensure you spend more and more time on them. Neither does a TV. They are not the same.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  You realize that we went from mass illiteracy to over 50 percent in less than 200 years. From town criers to printed papers. Candidly the current landscape is a drop in a long full bucket, printing press, papers, radio, film, television, music, the internet, video games all of these things were going to "destroy the children" and yet somehow we managed to survive. You like all those before you a prognosticating our doom because the world is not the one you grew up in.

aaron695 2y ago

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CatWChainsaw 2y ago

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