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Yeah, I mean, if they just had an archived ISO of every PS3 game in existence sitting on hard drives in the back, I don't think that would be a problem and I do

Yeah, I mean, if they just had an archived ISO of every PS3 game in existence sitting on hard drives in the back, I don't think that would be a problem and I doubt that would get them sued because I think that would likely fall under fair use, especially for a library (IANAL), especially if they had purchased legitimate copies of the games and/or had them donated. In fact, I suspect that if they did some kind of controlled lending program of the PS3 games, or the ISO was available to use upon request (e.g. like the US library of congress), that likely wouldn't get them sued either, but as it stands I'm not seeing a fundamental difference between IA and ThePirateBay, sans the lack of viruses and popups from the former.

troupe 3y ago
> (e.g. like the US library of congress) Does the LoC do something like this?
- criddell 3y ago
  Yes. https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2012/09/yes-the-library-of-congress-has-video-games-an-interview-with-david-gibson/ https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2012/09/yes-the-library-of-c...
  - troupe 3y ago
    The relevant sentence from the link: I would very much like to reach the point where we are able to provide access to some digital surrogate of the game while keeping the original disc in storage in the same way that we provide access to digital surrogates of our film and video collection fiberoptically to terminals in the Moving Image reading room.
    - criddell 3y ago
      Even if they can't figure out a way to do that, the material should become freely available after copyright expires. It might take 120 years for that to happen, but better late than never.
- tombert 3y ago
  I've never done it, but I believe the answer is "yes". I believe you can go to the physical library of congress and view their archived media. I don't believe you can check it out or distribute it without the copyright holders permission, but I think you can view it while you're there. Again, never done it, only seen stuff in YouTube videos, and not even recently.
gs17 3y ago
> In fact, I suspect that if they did some kind of controlled lending program of the PS3 games, or the ISO was available to use upon request (e.g. like the US library of congress), that likely wouldn't get them sued either, And if they really want to push the boundaries of format shifting and copyright, this would be a more productive avenue for it. Some physical libraries have games already, why not a digital one?
- tombert 3y ago
  Yep, completely agree. My local library has video games to borrow; I've never done it but I have no doubt that the NYPL has done their due diligence to avoid getting sued. A "format-shift" is kind of untested ground legally and I think a consequence of how IA is doing stuff is going to lead to some really bad legal precedent that might take decades to undo.

troupe 3y ago

> (e.g. like the US library of congress) Does the LoC do something like this?

criddell 3y ago
Yes. https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2012/09/yes-the-library-of-congress-has-video-games-an-interview-with-david-gibson/ https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2012/09/yes-the-library-of-c...
- troupe 3y ago
  The relevant sentence from the link: I would very much like to reach the point where we are able to provide access to some digital surrogate of the game while keeping the original disc in storage in the same way that we provide access to digital surrogates of our film and video collection fiberoptically to terminals in the Moving Image reading room.
  - criddell 3y ago
    Even if they can't figure out a way to do that, the material should become freely available after copyright expires. It might take 120 years for that to happen, but better late than never.
tombert 3y ago
I've never done it, but I believe the answer is "yes". I believe you can go to the physical library of congress and view their archived media. I don't believe you can check it out or distribute it without the copyright holders permission, but I think you can view it while you're there. Again, never done it, only seen stuff in YouTube videos, and not even recently.

gs17 3y ago

> In fact, I suspect that if they did some kind of controlled lending program of the PS3 games, or the ISO was available to use upon request (e.g. like the US library of congress), that likely wouldn't get them sued either, And if they really want to push the boundaries of format shifting and copyright, this would be a more productive avenue for it. Some physical libraries have games already, why not a digital one?

tombert 3y ago
Yep, completely agree. My local library has video games to borrow; I've never done it but I have no doubt that the NYPL has done their due diligence to avoid getting sued. A "format-shift" is kind of untested ground legally and I think a consequence of how IA is doing stuff is going to lead to some really bad legal precedent that might take decades to undo.