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Many (most?) countries do not require you to show any passport when exiting the country. (But if you’re traveling by air, then the next country you enter will l

Many (most?) countries do not require you to show any passport when exiting the country. (But if you’re traveling by air, then the next country you enter will likely share your passport details with the country you just departed.)

ivan_gammel 3y ago
Can you give an example? Sounds strange to me. Even within Schengen area there can be temporary border checks and you usually need to identify yourself when leaving it.
- askonomm 3y ago
  In-shengen border controls are extremely easy to bypass, and if you travel a lot you know exactly where they are (especially since it is quite rare). Baltic countries have no checks at all at the borders, so you can go Sweden to Finland, Finland to Estonia, Estonia all the way down to Poland without any checks at all, easy. I know there's often a check at the France / Spain border, but I also know they only check busses and rarely any cars, so you can just either drive through with a rental car or just walk over (I once got my ID stolen and could not get over with a bus, so I hitchhicked / walked from Nice to Barcelona).
  - mmsc 3y ago
    Those in-Schengen checks for buses and so on are largely just "do you have a valid passport?" and I'm not aware of any real checks of visa status, overstay checks, etc. If you get caught without a passport, you get detained though. If you've forgotten your passport somewhere, someone else can take it to an airport (or a physical border) and the border control at the airport can then confirm your identity.
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      You only need to show an id, not a passport, right?
      - askonomm 3y ago
        Either is fine, yeah.
  - ivan_gammel 3y ago
    > In-shengen border controls… I‘m talking about temporary border controls that any country within the area may implement in certain circumstances according to the agreement. They are not the norm, Schengen is supposed to have only an external border.
  - anthk 3y ago
    You can trivially head from Irun to Hendaye.
  - Moto7451 3y ago
    No one checked my passport going from Germany to Poland or Poland to France this past week by air. Per the EU’s website, Romania and Bulgaria don’t check when flying between them. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-c...
FabHK 3y ago
Examples/source? According to this stack overflow question, the US is (fairly) unique in not having immigration exit checks. https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/122289/why-don-t-some-countries-notably-usa-have-exit-immigration https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/122289/why-don-t-...
- llmllmllm 3y ago
  The UK doesn't have exit checks.
  - mmsc 3y ago
    Of the ~50 countries I've been to in the past 10 years, The UK is the only one I remember which I did not need to show any ID when leaving. I thought it was strange because this is just one way countries catch overstays.
    - zarzavat 3y ago
      They get the records from the airlines. They don’t need to pay someone to stamp passports at the border to know who is overstaying.
      - mmsc 3y ago
        Sure (and I'm not sure if that's actually how it works), but the border control also physically stops someone from leaving after they've overstayed. If someone has overstayed, they just go to the airport and hop on a plane with no consequences.
        zarzavat 3y ago
        Some countries do fine overstayers, but UK is quite happy for people to leave with no penalty, it just doesn’t want them to come back again afterwards. If someone overstays without a good reason then they are probably not entering the UK again for a long time. The consequences are almost worse without the exit controls because overstayers will waste money on a flight only to get turned around at the border - assuming they don’t need a visa or ETA.

ivan_gammel 3y ago

Can you give an example? Sounds strange to me. Even within Schengen area there can be temporary border checks and you usually need to identify yourself when leaving it.

askonomm 3y ago
In-shengen border controls are extremely easy to bypass, and if you travel a lot you know exactly where they are (especially since it is quite rare). Baltic countries have no checks at all at the borders, so you can go Sweden to Finland, Finland to Estonia, Estonia all the way down to Poland without any checks at all, easy. I know there's often a check at the France / Spain border, but I also know they only check busses and rarely any cars, so you can just either drive through with a rental car or just walk over (I once got my ID stolen and could not get over with a bus, so I hitchhicked / walked from Nice to Barcelona).
- mmsc 3y ago
  Those in-Schengen checks for buses and so on are largely just "do you have a valid passport?" and I'm not aware of any real checks of visa status, overstay checks, etc. If you get caught without a passport, you get detained though. If you've forgotten your passport somewhere, someone else can take it to an airport (or a physical border) and the border control at the airport can then confirm your identity.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    You only need to show an id, not a passport, right?
    - askonomm 3y ago
      Either is fine, yeah.
- ivan_gammel 3y ago
  > In-shengen border controls… I‘m talking about temporary border controls that any country within the area may implement in certain circumstances according to the agreement. They are not the norm, Schengen is supposed to have only an external border.
- anthk 3y ago
  You can trivially head from Irun to Hendaye.
- Moto7451 3y ago
  No one checked my passport going from Germany to Poland or Poland to France this past week by air. Per the EU’s website, Romania and Bulgaria don’t check when flying between them. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-c...

FabHK 3y ago

Examples/source? According to this stack overflow question, the US is (fairly) unique in not having immigration exit checks. https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/122289/why-don-t-some-countries-notably-usa-have-exit-immigration https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/122289/why-don-t-...

llmllmllm 3y ago
The UK doesn't have exit checks.
- mmsc 3y ago
  Of the ~50 countries I've been to in the past 10 years, The UK is the only one I remember which I did not need to show any ID when leaving. I thought it was strange because this is just one way countries catch overstays.
  - zarzavat 3y ago
    They get the records from the airlines. They don’t need to pay someone to stamp passports at the border to know who is overstaying.
    - mmsc 3y ago
      Sure (and I'm not sure if that's actually how it works), but the border control also physically stops someone from leaving after they've overstayed. If someone has overstayed, they just go to the airport and hop on a plane with no consequences.
      - zarzavat 3y ago
        Some countries do fine overstayers, but UK is quite happy for people to leave with no penalty, it just doesn’t want them to come back again afterwards. If someone overstays without a good reason then they are probably not entering the UK again for a long time. The consequences are almost worse without the exit controls because overstayers will waste money on a flight only to get turned around at the border - assuming they don’t need a visa or ETA.