3 ms·
> or the state (communism) That is also socialism. Communism is an imagining of what the world will look like after entering a state of post-scarcity. In fact,
by randomdata 2y ago
> or the state (communism)
That is also socialism. Communism is an imagining of what the world will look like after entering a state of post-scarcity. In fact, part of what is imagined in that is that we will become stateless. After all, absent of scarcity, what would you need a state for?
Now, it was once theorized that capitalists would artificially withhold entrance into post-scarcity and that the only way to achieve post-scarcity is, first, for the state to take over the means of production. This theory bred the Communist Party. States under rule of the Communist Party are often called Communist, but in that vein does not refer to capital ownership, but rather the party in power.
- sumuyuda 2y agoSocialism has never been fully realized, as under communism the surplus and means of production were controlled by the state, not the workers. It was state capitalism.
- randomdata 2y agoIf you accept that socialism can exist alongside capitalism, then it most definitely has been realized. Travel to just about any rural area and you will find co-ops galore. A very least in providing means of production to farmers, but quite often beyond – telcos/ISPs, grocery stores, gas stations, etc. If you see socialism as only some kind of state where capitalism no longer exists, then sure, we've never gotten there. Probably never will. Hell, even if post-scarcity communism is someday realized, it is equally possible that we got there by way of capitalism. Just because someone theorized that capitalists would put up roadblocks on the way to post-scarcity doesn't necessarily mean they would or that they couldn't be overcome.