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Your timeline makes no sense. Cars last 25+ years, so ~20% of people will be driving at least 20 years after self driving gets perfected and then standardized.

by Retric 3y ago

Your timeline makes no sense. Cars last 25+ years, so ~20% of people will be driving at least 20 years after self driving gets perfected and then standardized. Insurance companies raise and lower their premiums in response to risk. You might get a discount for self driving car eventually, but people who keep driving will just keep paying the same reasonably affordable rates as they do now.

falcor84 3y ago
> Cars last 25+ years, so ~20% of people will be driving at least 20 years after self driving gets perfected and then standardized. That's a bit of a leap. If and when FSD becomes sufficiently reliable to enable you to legally relinquish control to it, including have it take you anywhere even when you're intoxicated, without any personal liability, I expect adoption to ramp up very quickly. Also, depending on what technical solution ends up winning this race, it might be possible to convert existing old cars to FSD.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  I don't think most people buy cars for new features like that - most of America doesn't have that luxury. I'm also unsure as to conversion - many people can't/won't buy winter tires in environments that could use it, and there's no way I could imagine that a FSD conversion would be that cheap.
  - intrasight 3y ago
    "FSD conversion" - sounds so cyberpunk
- Retric 3y ago
  > including have it take you anywhere even when you're intoxicated, without any personal liability People get arrested for sleeping in their cars while drunk. It’s going to be a long time before a legal self driving exception exists for drunk people. People who have 20 year old cars generally can’t afford a new one and installing a self driving kit isn’t going to be cheap or worth it on a car that old.
- jjav 3y ago
  > If and when FSD becomes sufficiently reliable [...] I expect adoption to ramp up very quickly. There's basically zero chance of that. Working people are not going to be buying very expensive new cars just because it has a working FSD feature. A handful (relative to population) rich people will but that's it. For FSD to be everywhere first it needs to become reliable, then it needs to trickly down into every Toyota Corolla and then it needs to trickle down into the used market of people who won't buy anything newer than 10+ years old. > take you anywhere even when you're intoxicated, without any personal liability That probably won't happen in the next 50 years, regardless of technical advances. The law will refuse to catch up.
intrasight 3y ago
> Insurance companies raise and lower their premiums in response to risk. So we're saying the same thing
- Retric 3y ago
  You suggested the difference in total risk is 50% not just a drop in rates. Self driving cars can’t impact the risk of a someone bashing the windshield to get stuff out, hail or a tree falling on your car, it getting stolen, an uninsured motorist rear ending you at a stoplight etc. But it will mean replacing your car is more expensive should it get stolen etc. Further if you assume more ultra self driving cars are on the road the human drivers risks also drop.
  - intrasight 3y ago
    Most insurance risk and cost is for liability
    - Retric 3y ago
      Not on average and per person it’s highly dependent on the policy, a persons driving history, and their car etc. Minimum-liability coverage averages $627/year, average policy runs 2008$ /year. In terms of individual drivers, an antique show car driven very limited miles per year the policy’s costs have little to do with the driver’s accident history. Meanwhile someone with multiple DUI’s is paying for the risks associated with their behavior.

by Retric 3y ago

falcor84 3y ago

> Cars last 25+ years, so ~20% of people will be driving at least 20 years after self driving gets perfected and then standardized. That's a bit of a leap. If and when FSD becomes sufficiently reliable to enable you to legally relinquish control to it, including have it take you anywhere even when you're intoxicated, without any personal liability, I expect adoption to ramp up very quickly. Also, depending on what technical solution ends up winning this race, it might be possible to convert existing old cars to FSD.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
I don't think most people buy cars for new features like that - most of America doesn't have that luxury. I'm also unsure as to conversion - many people can't/won't buy winter tires in environments that could use it, and there's no way I could imagine that a FSD conversion would be that cheap.
- intrasight 3y ago
  "FSD conversion" - sounds so cyberpunk
Retric 3y ago
> including have it take you anywhere even when you're intoxicated, without any personal liability People get arrested for sleeping in their cars while drunk. It’s going to be a long time before a legal self driving exception exists for drunk people. People who have 20 year old cars generally can’t afford a new one and installing a self driving kit isn’t going to be cheap or worth it on a car that old.
jjav 3y ago
> If and when FSD becomes sufficiently reliable [...] I expect adoption to ramp up very quickly. There's basically zero chance of that. Working people are not going to be buying very expensive new cars just because it has a working FSD feature. A handful (relative to population) rich people will but that's it. For FSD to be everywhere first it needs to become reliable, then it needs to trickly down into every Toyota Corolla and then it needs to trickle down into the used market of people who won't buy anything newer than 10+ years old. > take you anywhere even when you're intoxicated, without any personal liability That probably won't happen in the next 50 years, regardless of technical advances. The law will refuse to catch up.

intrasight 3y ago

> Insurance companies raise and lower their premiums in response to risk. So we're saying the same thing

Retric 3y ago
You suggested the difference in total risk is 50% not just a drop in rates. Self driving cars can’t impact the risk of a someone bashing the windshield to get stuff out, hail or a tree falling on your car, it getting stolen, an uninsured motorist rear ending you at a stoplight etc. But it will mean replacing your car is more expensive should it get stolen etc. Further if you assume more ultra self driving cars are on the road the human drivers risks also drop.
- intrasight 3y ago
  Most insurance risk and cost is for liability
  - Retric 3y ago
    Not on average and per person it’s highly dependent on the policy, a persons driving history, and their car etc. Minimum-liability coverage averages $627/year, average policy runs 2008$ /year. In terms of individual drivers, an antique show car driven very limited miles per year the policy’s costs have little to do with the driver’s accident history. Meanwhile someone with multiple DUI’s is paying for the risks associated with their behavior.