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Meta don't want these bots, but as Zuck said in his interview -- it's adversarial. Some of these bots are run by nation state actors who can easily adapt to Met

Meta don't want these bots, but as Zuck said in his interview -- it's adversarial. Some of these bots are run by nation state actors who can easily adapt to Meta's attempts to shut them down.

yonatan8070 2y ago
I know that Meta also wants these bots shut down I'm asking who creates them and why? How does a nation state benefit from a spam post about a child riding a watermelon motorcycle with lots of AI generated comments
- hackerlight 2y ago
  Because it gives the fake profiles the look of legitimacy. These bots will be used later for political manipulation (if nation state) or scams or selling influence (if criminal gangs). These bots are all over twitter. Make a new twitter account and don't post for two weeks. You'll be followed by about 15 bots, each with an AI generated profile picture, no posts and a history of likes of a random smattering of posts with no coherence. The fake likes are purely for the veneer of legitimacy.
- solumunus 2y ago
  Because if fresh accounts immediately start pushing narratives for said nation state they would easily be identified and banned. The game of spam is about slowly gaining the trust of the target algorithm by appearing legitimate.
- ninininino 2y ago
  One could come up with dozens of plausible explanations in seconds of thinking: 1) build networks of accounts that amass many followers to facilitate data collection (scraping public or friend-only profile data, photo, and text) without hitting rate limits, for the purposes of building surveillance-ready profiles of a nation's or the world's citzenry and to build face identification datasets on foreign populations for later use, in other words building a web scraping network in a foreign controlled data ecosystem with mixed privacy settings for non-logged in accounts 2) maintain swaths of accounts with many followers for a "rainy day" when you want to be able to communicate en masse to a nation or language-sphere's populace with subtle propaganda or straight up messaging 3) distract a populace from any matter of subjects or manipulate them to pay attention to the things you want them thinking about / looking at 4) provide cover for #3 by creating such a mass of content that the stuff you really care about is more easily hidden amongst the noise 5) dumb down a foreign population to weaken them economically - everyone knows the Douyin (domestic TikTok) has legal limits in place on allowed content especially for minors that is intended to promote intellectual growth and productivity, there's no such limits on Tiktok, and it wouldn't be hard to imagine they could facilitate the opposite for the PRC's subtle benefit ... I'm just freestyling here and I'm sure I could reach 20 in a matter of 10-20 minutes

Meta don't want these bots, but as Zuck said in his interview -- it's adversarial. Some of these bots are run by nation state actors who can easily adapt to Meta's attempts to shut them down.

yonatan8070 2y ago

I know that Meta also wants these bots shut down I'm asking who creates them and why? How does a nation state benefit from a spam post about a child riding a watermelon motorcycle with lots of AI generated comments

hackerlight 2y ago
Because it gives the fake profiles the look of legitimacy. These bots will be used later for political manipulation (if nation state) or scams or selling influence (if criminal gangs). These bots are all over twitter. Make a new twitter account and don't post for two weeks. You'll be followed by about 15 bots, each with an AI generated profile picture, no posts and a history of likes of a random smattering of posts with no coherence. The fake likes are purely for the veneer of legitimacy.
solumunus 2y ago
Because if fresh accounts immediately start pushing narratives for said nation state they would easily be identified and banned. The game of spam is about slowly gaining the trust of the target algorithm by appearing legitimate.
ninininino 2y ago
One could come up with dozens of plausible explanations in seconds of thinking: 1) build networks of accounts that amass many followers to facilitate data collection (scraping public or friend-only profile data, photo, and text) without hitting rate limits, for the purposes of building surveillance-ready profiles of a nation's or the world's citzenry and to build face identification datasets on foreign populations for later use, in other words building a web scraping network in a foreign controlled data ecosystem with mixed privacy settings for non-logged in accounts 2) maintain swaths of accounts with many followers for a "rainy day" when you want to be able to communicate en masse to a nation or language-sphere's populace with subtle propaganda or straight up messaging 3) distract a populace from any matter of subjects or manipulate them to pay attention to the things you want them thinking about / looking at 4) provide cover for #3 by creating such a mass of content that the stuff you really care about is more easily hidden amongst the noise 5) dumb down a foreign population to weaken them economically - everyone knows the Douyin (domestic TikTok) has legal limits in place on allowed content especially for minors that is intended to promote intellectual growth and productivity, there's no such limits on Tiktok, and it wouldn't be hard to imagine they could facilitate the opposite for the PRC's subtle benefit ... I'm just freestyling here and I'm sure I could reach 20 in a matter of 10-20 minutes