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>As for LLMs making it easier to people to build destructive devices, Google can provide info about that. Or just read some "prepper" books and magazines. That

>As for LLMs making it easier to people to build destructive devices, Google can provide info about that. Or just read some "prepper" books and magazines. That ship sailed long ago. However, those can and are tracked. The thing making them nervous is the ability to do that on your own with no possible way for someone to track or catch you. Same with deepfakes. They don't care if you are doing it with photoshop, because that can be reviewed. They care that you can do it and not be caught/stopped/punished for it.

jkuli 2y ago
Is this true?
- mhuffman 2y ago
  This is a snippet from OP site: >SB 1047 creates an unaccountable Frontier Model Division that will be staffed by EAs with police powers, and which can throw model developers in jail for the thoughtcrime of doing AI research. It’s being fast-tracked through the state Senate. Since many cloud and AI companies are headquartered in California, this will have worldwide impact. Of course that is scare propaganda, but when you put it with what the Federal govt is doing here[0], it makes it pretty clear that the real worry is people have access to "dangerous" information with no oversight. I can imagine policing agencies at every level getting very nervous with lone-wolf or tiny militia types getting access to information without any triggers flipping and alerting them and with no way to get any evidence if they do want to arrest them for something. [0]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names-ai-safety-security-advisory-board/ar-AA1nJISE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names...
  - jkuli 2y ago
    The evidence is the damage caused by their actions. No need to punish people for crimes that haven't occurred.
    - mhuffman 2y ago
      I am not making a judgement here, just stating the reasons why they would want to do it.
  - Animats 2y ago
    It's somewhat exaggerated, but the bill definitely creates a "Frontier Model Division" with a rather vague charter and some enforcement authority.
AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
Ok this is insanity. The thing keeping people from making destructive devices is the difficulty in synthesizing white fuming nitric acid and similar required precursors. You can Google wherever shit you want if you use someone else's wifi and you should be able to at least Google whatever you want without the feds showing up. The danger of ai has nothing to do with what the average Joe might try to do, it has everything to do with what soulless corporations are doing to you right now and how it enables them to be even worse in the future. Right now your roof is being scanned by aircraft with cameras and AI is being used to determine how old it is and if there are tree branches nearby. They're also looking at and classifying objects in your back yard to determine safety risks. It's not horribly accurate but because of the scale it doesn't matter to the companies, you just get fucked. Accidentally bag something you didn't scan at the self checkout? They have AI for that too, there are multiple reports of people being hunted down and charged with theft for simple mistakes. Your chances of having your life ruined of degraded because of AI are massively higher than your chances of being hurt by a random individual using it to build destructive devices.
- robotnikman 2y ago
  Couldn't have worded it any better myself. AI is already being used for horrible things by companies and state actors and no one bats an eye over it.
  - mhuffman 2y ago
    Individuals are usually the targets of companies and the government, whereas the government is immune from any blowback for with it does and has, right now, very cozy relationships with large corporations.
- mhuffman 2y ago
  All good points, but then ask yourself why this [0] is being put under Homeland Security and not just a business lobbying group. [0]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names-ai-safety-security-advisory-board/ar-AA1nJISE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names...

jkuli 2y ago

Is this true?

mhuffman 2y ago
This is a snippet from OP site: >SB 1047 creates an unaccountable Frontier Model Division that will be staffed by EAs with police powers, and which can throw model developers in jail for the thoughtcrime of doing AI research. It’s being fast-tracked through the state Senate. Since many cloud and AI companies are headquartered in California, this will have worldwide impact. Of course that is scare propaganda, but when you put it with what the Federal govt is doing here[0], it makes it pretty clear that the real worry is people have access to "dangerous" information with no oversight. I can imagine policing agencies at every level getting very nervous with lone-wolf or tiny militia types getting access to information without any triggers flipping and alerting them and with no way to get any evidence if they do want to arrest them for something. [0]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names-ai-safety-security-advisory-board/ar-AA1nJISE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names...
- jkuli 2y ago
  The evidence is the damage caused by their actions. No need to punish people for crimes that haven't occurred.
  - mhuffman 2y ago
    I am not making a judgement here, just stating the reasons why they would want to do it.
- Animats 2y ago
  It's somewhat exaggerated, but the bill definitely creates a "Frontier Model Division" with a rather vague charter and some enforcement authority.

AnarchismIsCool 2y ago

Ok this is insanity. The thing keeping people from making destructive devices is the difficulty in synthesizing white fuming nitric acid and similar required precursors. You can Google wherever shit you want if you use someone else's wifi and you should be able to at least Google whatever you want without the feds showing up. The danger of ai has nothing to do with what the average Joe might try to do, it has everything to do with what soulless corporations are doing to you right now and how it enables them to be even worse in the future. Right now your roof is being scanned by aircraft with cameras and AI is being used to determine how old it is and if there are tree branches nearby. They're also looking at and classifying objects in your back yard to determine safety risks. It's not horribly accurate but because of the scale it doesn't matter to the companies, you just get fucked. Accidentally bag something you didn't scan at the self checkout? They have AI for that too, there are multiple reports of people being hunted down and charged with theft for simple mistakes. Your chances of having your life ruined of degraded because of AI are massively higher than your chances of being hurt by a random individual using it to build destructive devices.

robotnikman 2y ago
Couldn't have worded it any better myself. AI is already being used for horrible things by companies and state actors and no one bats an eye over it.
- mhuffman 2y ago
  Individuals are usually the targets of companies and the government, whereas the government is immune from any blowback for with it does and has, right now, very cozy relationships with large corporations.
mhuffman 2y ago
All good points, but then ask yourself why this [0] is being put under Homeland Security and not just a business lobbying group. [0]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names-ai-safety-security-advisory-board/ar-AA1nJISE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-homeland-security-names...