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Once I get a project to "actual customers" I don't mind paying and signing my binaries.

samplatt 2y ago
This is something that definitely chafes. Even in a large-company enterprise environment, so many worthy & legitimate projects never end up shipping due to financial or office-politics reasons. Putting up paywalls between devs and their work that they to spend both time and money on is bloody stupid.
ryandrake 2y ago
How about "actual users" rather than "actual customers?" We should not normalize this because it eats away at free software. It is totally unreasonable to have to pay the operating system's manufacturer in order for person A to simply distribute software to person B, outside of manufacturer's infrastructure. The manufacturer has nothing to do with that distribution, and has no business "warning" the user about this software.
- rblatz 2y ago
  You don’t have to pay to do that on MacOS, they can bypass the warning saying it’s unsigned and that the developer can’t be positively identified.
  - Aaron2222 2y ago
    Apple should really provide free codesigning for free/open source software.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - almostnormal 2y ago
      (almost) everyone has an SSL certificate for the web. An OS could check if software is signed with one. And maybe display a warning for only domain validation.
    - stavros 2y ago
      What does software being signed signify? Does it mean it's vetted? Can a malware author pay the $X and have their malware signed?
      - GnarfGnarf 2y ago
        No, Apple will detect and suppress malware as part of the vetting process.
        stavros 2y ago
        Ah, so they do vet? I didn't realize, thanks.
- GnarfGnarf 2y ago
  As much as I hate to submit to Apple having to Notarized my software, I have to admit that it’s a useful measure to detect and prevent malware. The end user is protected by Apple’s “Good Housekeeping” seal of approval.
  - dTal 2y ago
    Funny, I've never once in all my days installed malware from a Linux package manager, and this "seal of approval" doesn't cost me or the developer any money at all.
    - GnarfGnarf 2y ago
      That’s because your computer is a hobby, and mine is a business. My customers use Windows and macOS. They have happily paid for my house, my car and my retirement. :o)
      - dTal 2y ago
        If you want to justify rent-seeking because it helps you pay for your lifestyle, come out and say so in the first place instead of pretending it's for the benefit of your users. But claiming that Linux is a "hobby" on HN is essentially trolling.

This is something that definitely chafes. Even in a large-company enterprise environment, so many worthy & legitimate projects never end up shipping due to financial or office-politics reasons. Putting up paywalls between devs and their work that they to spend both time and money on is bloody stupid.

ryandrake 2y ago

How about "actual users" rather than "actual customers?" We should not normalize this because it eats away at free software. It is totally unreasonable to have to pay the operating system's manufacturer in order for person A to simply distribute software to person B, outside of manufacturer's infrastructure. The manufacturer has nothing to do with that distribution, and has no business "warning" the user about this software.

rblatz 2y ago
You don’t have to pay to do that on MacOS, they can bypass the warning saying it’s unsigned and that the developer can’t be positively identified.
- Aaron2222 2y ago
  Apple should really provide free codesigning for free/open source software.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - almostnormal 2y ago
    (almost) everyone has an SSL certificate for the web. An OS could check if software is signed with one. And maybe display a warning for only domain validation.
  - stavros 2y ago
    What does software being signed signify? Does it mean it's vetted? Can a malware author pay the $X and have their malware signed?
    - GnarfGnarf 2y ago
      No, Apple will detect and suppress malware as part of the vetting process.
      - stavros 2y ago
        Ah, so they do vet? I didn't realize, thanks.
GnarfGnarf 2y ago
As much as I hate to submit to Apple having to Notarized my software, I have to admit that it’s a useful measure to detect and prevent malware. The end user is protected by Apple’s “Good Housekeeping” seal of approval.
- dTal 2y ago
  Funny, I've never once in all my days installed malware from a Linux package manager, and this "seal of approval" doesn't cost me or the developer any money at all.
  - GnarfGnarf 2y ago
    That’s because your computer is a hobby, and mine is a business. My customers use Windows and macOS. They have happily paid for my house, my car and my retirement. :o)
    - dTal 2y ago
      If you want to justify rent-seeking because it helps you pay for your lifestyle, come out and say so in the first place instead of pretending it's for the benefit of your users. But claiming that Linux is a "hobby" on HN is essentially trolling.