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The article suggests that this act will effectively destroy any open source AI initiative in California. After reading the act, this seems to be the correct ass

by s1k3s 2y ago

The article suggests that this act will effectively destroy any open source AI initiative in California. After reading the act, this seems to be the correct assumption. But, is Open Source AI even a thing at this point? By the way, this is how the EU does things and that's why we're always behind on anything tech :)

OKRainbowKid 2y ago
This is also why we have actually meaningful consumer protections in place.
- s1k3s 2y ago
  Can you give me an example of effective consumer protection?
  - noodlesUK 2y ago
    Yes, consumer rights in Europe are great for buying various goods and services! For example, the EU regs for flight delays are a great example of consumer protection that is actually beneficial. You get paid cash compensation (which often exceeds the face value of the ticket) if you’re delayed more than a certain amount.
    - karaterobot 2y ago
      FYI, you are entitled to a refund in the U.S. if your flight is delayed significantly. As of last week, it's 3 hours for domestic flights, or 6 hours for international. The refund is automatic. It's been true for a long time that people could get refunds for significant delays, but the definition of how long "significant" means was not defined.
  - xbar 2y ago
    The food safety laws of 1906 and the safe cosmetics laws of 1935. Seriously, the death and destruction caused by lead, morphine and mercury in everyday things was not a joke.
AnthonyMouse 2y ago
> is Open Source AI even a thing at this point? What do you mean? You can download llama.cpp or Stable Diffusion and run it on your ordinary PC right now. People make variants using LoRA adapters and things with relatively modest resources. Even creating small specialized models from scratch is not impossibly expensive and they often outperform larger generalized models in the domain they're specialized for. Creating a large model like llama or grok takes a lot of resources, but then it's entities with a lot of resources that create them. Both of those models have open weights.
- s1k3s 2y ago
  > (j) (1) “Developer” means a person that creates, owns, or otherwise has responsibility for an artificial intelligence model. For as long as you don't distribute the model and you only use it for yourself, you don't fall under this definition (if I understand correctly).
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    Open source implies that you are distributing it.
    - s1k3s 2y ago
      Your comment implies you're not distributing it, you're using something that was distributed to you [in this case by META]. If you would distribute a mod of the model you would fall under the restrictions of this bill. Which is why I asked the original question: are people even doing this?
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        But then Meta is distributing it. And if you modify it in a way that others may find useful, you might also like to distribute your modifications.

by s1k3s 2y ago

OKRainbowKid 2y ago

This is also why we have actually meaningful consumer protections in place.

s1k3s 2y ago
Can you give me an example of effective consumer protection?
- noodlesUK 2y ago
  Yes, consumer rights in Europe are great for buying various goods and services! For example, the EU regs for flight delays are a great example of consumer protection that is actually beneficial. You get paid cash compensation (which often exceeds the face value of the ticket) if you’re delayed more than a certain amount.
  - karaterobot 2y ago
    FYI, you are entitled to a refund in the U.S. if your flight is delayed significantly. As of last week, it's 3 hours for domestic flights, or 6 hours for international. The refund is automatic. It's been true for a long time that people could get refunds for significant delays, but the definition of how long "significant" means was not defined.
- xbar 2y ago
  The food safety laws of 1906 and the safe cosmetics laws of 1935. Seriously, the death and destruction caused by lead, morphine and mercury in everyday things was not a joke.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

> is Open Source AI even a thing at this point? What do you mean? You can download llama.cpp or Stable Diffusion and run it on your ordinary PC right now. People make variants using LoRA adapters and things with relatively modest resources. Even creating small specialized models from scratch is not impossibly expensive and they often outperform larger generalized models in the domain they're specialized for. Creating a large model like llama or grok takes a lot of resources, but then it's entities with a lot of resources that create them. Both of those models have open weights.

s1k3s 2y ago
> (j) (1) “Developer” means a person that creates, owns, or otherwise has responsibility for an artificial intelligence model. For as long as you don't distribute the model and you only use it for yourself, you don't fall under this definition (if I understand correctly).
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  Open source implies that you are distributing it.
  - s1k3s 2y ago
    Your comment implies you're not distributing it, you're using something that was distributed to you [in this case by META]. If you would distribute a mod of the model you would fall under the restrictions of this bill. Which is why I asked the original question: are people even doing this?
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      But then Meta is distributing it. And if you modify it in a way that others may find useful, you might also like to distribute your modifications.