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You could buy the hybrid fossil i3 for many years, which was kinda the successor of the Audi a2, but better. Or also the electric i3 which was arguably better t

You could buy the hybrid fossil i3 for many years, which was kinda the successor of the Audi a2, but better. Or also the electric i3 which was arguably better than the hybrid version if you have a charging network where you live. I think it’s trivial to buy a better car than the Audi A2 nowadays. But not with an ICE.

nisa 3y ago
Sure but that's not the point. Reduced fuel consumption using hybrid technology works in the city. EVs are even better. It's just fascinating that the technology was there and wasn't improved upon in 25 years. We could drive non-hybrid ICE cars were a big chunk of cars is using 50% less fuel now if we would have avoided that SUV trend.
- speedgoose 3y ago
  My point is that the technology has improved. We ditched the ICE for electric motors on the way. Those very lightweight fancy cars didn’t sell very well (~150k A2, ~250k i3) but that’s another problem.
- Grimeton 3y ago
  VW - GOLF I - Average weight: 800kg, 1.8l, 112bhp, average fuel consumption: 10 litres/100km VW - GOLF 8 - Average weight: 1450kg, 1.0l, 110bhp, average fuel consumption: 4.6l/100km So the car is nearly twice as heavy and uses less than half as much gas. And there were no optimizations?
  - nisa 3y ago
    My point is that it could use 2l/100km if that would be the optimization target. Golf 8 is nowadays a few classes above what the Golf 1 was. It's also a rather big car compared to the Golf 1.
    - Grimeton 3y ago
      >My point is that it could use 2l/100km if that would be the optimization target. No it cannot. There are more things involved than just air drag when it comes to fuel consumption in a car. >Golf 8 is nowadays a few classes above what the Golf 1 was. It's also a rather big car compared to the Golf 1. Exactly. It's way heavier and uses less than half of what the Golf I used back in the day. This to me demonstrates that you don't understand the basics behind all this. Maybe you should read up on stuff.
- pkolaczk 3y ago
  > Reduced fuel consumption using hybrid technology works in the city. Works on a highway as well, but the difference is smaller.

nisa 3y ago

Sure but that's not the point. Reduced fuel consumption using hybrid technology works in the city. EVs are even better. It's just fascinating that the technology was there and wasn't improved upon in 25 years. We could drive non-hybrid ICE cars were a big chunk of cars is using 50% less fuel now if we would have avoided that SUV trend.

speedgoose 3y ago
My point is that the technology has improved. We ditched the ICE for electric motors on the way. Those very lightweight fancy cars didn’t sell very well (~150k A2, ~250k i3) but that’s another problem.
Grimeton 3y ago
VW - GOLF I - Average weight: 800kg, 1.8l, 112bhp, average fuel consumption: 10 litres/100km VW - GOLF 8 - Average weight: 1450kg, 1.0l, 110bhp, average fuel consumption: 4.6l/100km So the car is nearly twice as heavy and uses less than half as much gas. And there were no optimizations?
- nisa 3y ago
  My point is that it could use 2l/100km if that would be the optimization target. Golf 8 is nowadays a few classes above what the Golf 1 was. It's also a rather big car compared to the Golf 1.
  - Grimeton 3y ago
    >My point is that it could use 2l/100km if that would be the optimization target. No it cannot. There are more things involved than just air drag when it comes to fuel consumption in a car. >Golf 8 is nowadays a few classes above what the Golf 1 was. It's also a rather big car compared to the Golf 1. Exactly. It's way heavier and uses less than half of what the Golf I used back in the day. This to me demonstrates that you don't understand the basics behind all this. Maybe you should read up on stuff.
pkolaczk 3y ago
> Reduced fuel consumption using hybrid technology works in the city. Works on a highway as well, but the difference is smaller.