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That's certainly a take, but without reasoning or evidence, this isn't a very interesting comment.
by jpk 2y ago
That's certainly a take, but without reasoning or evidence, this isn't a very interesting comment.
- ceejayoz 2y agoThe epidemic itself is pretty strong evidence. Gastric bypass and these new drugs are basically the only proven effective ways of reliably helping people lose.
- InsaneOstrich 2y agoI mean, most of those people could just exercise or change their diets instead of relying on expensive drugs with unknown long term side effects
- ceejayoz 2y agoExcept they can’t. We know this. Telling obese people “just change your diet and exercise” has roughly the success rate as hiring a witch to cast a spell.
- jpk 2y agoThere are cultures in which obesity is rare and yet they achieve it without drugs and surgery. That itself is pretty strong evidence that the claim that they're the only things that could possibly help is wrong. I'm glad those are options, because they certainly do help people, but if you take that and run with "welp, more pharma is the only way!" then you're not thinking very hard.
- ceejayoz 2y agoWell gee, if all we have to do is change our entire culture, that sounds easy!
- jpk 2y agoI mean, I didn't say it was. Most things worth doing aren't easy. Listen, all I'm saying is we should strive for something better than to be content with producing lots of obese people and then "fix" them with drugs. Pharma would love that, I'm sure, but it's a tactical fix that needs a strategic solution.