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The whole article is ideological tainted and tries to make the move away from nuclear look good. That's all there is to it, especially in the light of the recen

The whole article is ideological tainted and tries to make the move away from nuclear look good. That's all there is to it, especially in the light of the recently made public documents that show that the decision was taken by an ideologically blinded minister for economic affairs against the better judgment and suggestions by the experts. The damage to Germany's economy is already visible and will become worse as this goes on while the minister for economic affairs stated in a speech that this was anticipated and is part of the plan. Whatever that plan is.

davidhbolton 2y ago
No mention of the fraud involved in pushing Germany to phase out Nuclear? https://dailysceptic.org/2024/04/27/new-document-release-reveals-greens-engaging-in-fraud-to-deceive-ministers-and-push-german-nuclear-phase-out/ https://dailysceptic.org/2024/04/27/new-document-release-rev...
- Arnt 2y ago
  Amazing what people will write. The minster asked the nuclear operators whether they could operate the plants longer, and the operators said (paraphrasing) "we'd need more fuel, and even if we were to order fuel today it wouldn't be delivered in time" and that was the end of the story. Two years later, "fraud!" Amazing.
  - Grimeton 2y ago
    They actually wrote and I'm paraphrasing as well:"It's not a problem and it would also lower the overall power prices as the cheaper nuclear power would push the gas plants out of the merit order system." But this was never communicated to Habeck (Minister for economic affairs) [1] And in the department of the environment a report was completely altered from "can run for years" to "is impossible to use them at all" by a single person that shares the ideology... [2][3] Interesting how official documents that have been made available clearly show how experts have been ignored and their reports have been altered to fit a political and ideological scheme. [1] - https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_BMWKFachreferat.pdf https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_BMWKFachreferat.... [2] - https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-01_Atomaufsicht_Version1.pdf https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-01_Atomaufsicht_Ver... [3] - https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_Atomaufsicht_Version2.pdf https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_Atomaufsicht_Ver...
    - uecker 2y ago
      Ref [1] says that extending the use of the plants until March 31. could help reduce prices by the Merit-order effect. This extension is exactly what Habeck did: The life time was extended! So this is complete bullshit and already debunked completely by more serious German media.
      - uecker 2y ago
        What makes this rather obvious bad-faith attack targeted at the gullible idiots is that the nuclear exist was decided years ago by conservative government (Merkel after Fukushima). Now to pretend that finally shutting down the last three plants as planned by others a long time ago was some evil doing of the new minister (after all other plants were shut down a long time ago and the remaining operators said it makes no sense form them to continue at this time because it is too late to change course) makes no sense and this should make it obvious that there is no scandal here.
      - Grimeton 2y ago
        No, it's not Habeck that did it. it's the German chancellor that had to step in and enforce it... And how is telling the truth a bad faith attack?
        uecker 2y ago
        What truth exactly? As far as I can remember Haback was willing to extend the run time of two reactors and the chancellor then decided for all three for the interest of piece.
        Grimeton 2y ago
        Refresh your memory. The German chancellor had to enforce the extension. And the real bad-faith attack here is to make it look like there weren't any new circumstances that made it necessary to reconsider the runtime of the plants. Seeing how three public servants modified a document to change its meaning from 'possible' to 'not possible' so that it looks to Habeck like there is no other option available is highly alarming. When you alter a document to reflect your ideological views instead of going with its content and by this going against the public/greater good of the German people with intent to present false information to Habeck then this could be considered nothing short of treason.
- uecker 2y ago
  This is a lot of nonsense debunked widely in German press.
  - Grimeton 2y ago
    One sided informed activist.
nunobrito 2y ago
Basically this. The electricity bill went far higher for citizens while at the same polluting more the environment with wind mills and solar panels as far as the eye can see. The impact on nature and citizens is far worse but this socialist-inclined government continues the decade-long USSR-sponsored propagand against nuclear power to handicap western nations. USSR is long gone but this propaganda is well alive, unfortunately. Without irony, France keeps building nuclear generators close to the german borders. Guess to whom we are buying energy surplus? Yep, this is just awful and the article avoided mentioning these critical details.
- ViewTrick1002 2y ago
  > Without irony, France keeps building nuclear generators close to the german borders. Which one? The only one they have under construction which has gone 6x over budget and was supposed to be completed in 2012? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Unit_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plan...
  - uecker 2y ago
    Also not exactly close to the German border....
  - nunobrito 2y ago
    Not my fault that your google-fu needs improvement. 14 new nuclear generators by 2050: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/10/france-to-build-up-to-14-new-nuclear-reactors-by-2050-says-macron https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/10/france-to-buil... Now do the homework to learn where some of these will strategically located.
    - ViewTrick1002 2y ago
      Where no investment decisions are taken and EDF has publicly said they can’t self finance any new construction without direct state aid. It is simply a ploy to hide military spending since the French army can’t fund the nuclear industry in their own. > "Without civil nuclear power, no military nuclear power; and without military nuclear power, no civil nuclear power," the president had said, praising a sector that employs 220,000 people in France. https://www.dw.com/en/do-frances-plans-for-small-nuclear-reactors-have-hidden-agenda/a-59585614 https://www.dw.com/en/do-frances-plans-for-small-nuclear-rea...*
uecker 2y ago
The decision was made a long time ago by a conservative government. The Merkel government shut down 6 nuclear plants after Fukushima. When the current government with what you call the came to power only three nuclear plants were still running and the decision to shut them down were made a lot earlier and the companies operating them did not want to continue. Those remaining nuclear plants produced only 6% of electricity in 2022 and prices did not go up after shutting them down.

davidhbolton 2y ago

No mention of the fraud involved in pushing Germany to phase out Nuclear? https://dailysceptic.org/2024/04/27/new-document-release-reveals-greens-engaging-in-fraud-to-deceive-ministers-and-push-german-nuclear-phase-out/ https://dailysceptic.org/2024/04/27/new-document-release-rev...

Arnt 2y ago
Amazing what people will write. The minster asked the nuclear operators whether they could operate the plants longer, and the operators said (paraphrasing) "we'd need more fuel, and even if we were to order fuel today it wouldn't be delivered in time" and that was the end of the story. Two years later, "fraud!" Amazing.
- Grimeton 2y ago
  They actually wrote and I'm paraphrasing as well:"It's not a problem and it would also lower the overall power prices as the cheaper nuclear power would push the gas plants out of the merit order system." But this was never communicated to Habeck (Minister for economic affairs) [1] And in the department of the environment a report was completely altered from "can run for years" to "is impossible to use them at all" by a single person that shares the ideology... [2][3] Interesting how official documents that have been made available clearly show how experts have been ignored and their reports have been altered to fit a political and ideological scheme. [1] - https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_BMWKFachreferat.pdf https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_BMWKFachreferat.... [2] - https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-01_Atomaufsicht_Version1.pdf https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-01_Atomaufsicht_Ver... [3] - https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_Atomaufsicht_Version2.pdf https://assets.cicero.de/2024-04/2022-03-03_Atomaufsicht_Ver...
  - uecker 2y ago
    Ref [1] says that extending the use of the plants until March 31. could help reduce prices by the Merit-order effect. This extension is exactly what Habeck did: The life time was extended! So this is complete bullshit and already debunked completely by more serious German media.
    - uecker 2y ago
      What makes this rather obvious bad-faith attack targeted at the gullible idiots is that the nuclear exist was decided years ago by conservative government (Merkel after Fukushima). Now to pretend that finally shutting down the last three plants as planned by others a long time ago was some evil doing of the new minister (after all other plants were shut down a long time ago and the remaining operators said it makes no sense form them to continue at this time because it is too late to change course) makes no sense and this should make it obvious that there is no scandal here.
    - Grimeton 2y ago
      No, it's not Habeck that did it. it's the German chancellor that had to step in and enforce it... And how is telling the truth a bad faith attack?
      - uecker 2y ago
        What truth exactly? As far as I can remember Haback was willing to extend the run time of two reactors and the chancellor then decided for all three for the interest of piece.
        Grimeton 2y ago
        Refresh your memory. The German chancellor had to enforce the extension. And the real bad-faith attack here is to make it look like there weren't any new circumstances that made it necessary to reconsider the runtime of the plants. Seeing how three public servants modified a document to change its meaning from 'possible' to 'not possible' so that it looks to Habeck like there is no other option available is highly alarming. When you alter a document to reflect your ideological views instead of going with its content and by this going against the public/greater good of the German people with intent to present false information to Habeck then this could be considered nothing short of treason.
uecker 2y ago
This is a lot of nonsense debunked widely in German press.
- Grimeton 2y ago
  One sided informed activist.

nunobrito 2y ago

Basically this. The electricity bill went far higher for citizens while at the same polluting more the environment with wind mills and solar panels as far as the eye can see. The impact on nature and citizens is far worse but this socialist-inclined government continues the decade-long USSR-sponsored propagand against nuclear power to handicap western nations. USSR is long gone but this propaganda is well alive, unfortunately. Without irony, France keeps building nuclear generators close to the german borders. Guess to whom we are buying energy surplus? Yep, this is just awful and the article avoided mentioning these critical details.

ViewTrick1002 2y ago
> Without irony, France keeps building nuclear generators close to the german borders. Which one? The only one they have under construction which has gone 6x over budget and was supposed to be completed in 2012? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Unit_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plan...
- uecker 2y ago
  Also not exactly close to the German border....
- nunobrito 2y ago
  Not my fault that your google-fu needs improvement. 14 new nuclear generators by 2050: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/10/france-to-build-up-to-14-new-nuclear-reactors-by-2050-says-macron https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/10/france-to-buil... Now do the homework to learn where some of these will strategically located.
  - ViewTrick1002 2y ago
    Where no investment decisions are taken and EDF has publicly said they can’t self finance any new construction without direct state aid. It is simply a ploy to hide military spending since the French army can’t fund the nuclear industry in their own. > "Without civil nuclear power, no military nuclear power; and without military nuclear power, no civil nuclear power," the president had said, praising a sector that employs 220,000 people in France. https://www.dw.com/en/do-frances-plans-for-small-nuclear-reactors-have-hidden-agenda/a-59585614 https://www.dw.com/en/do-frances-plans-for-small-nuclear-rea...*

uecker 2y ago

The decision was made a long time ago by a conservative government. The Merkel government shut down 6 nuclear plants after Fukushima. When the current government with what you call the came to power only three nuclear plants were still running and the decision to shut them down were made a lot earlier and the companies operating them did not want to continue. Those remaining nuclear plants produced only 6% of electricity in 2022 and prices did not go up after shutting them down.