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It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the In

It's crazy to me how this link gets upvoted in HackerNews but not David Grursch's (former NRO/NGA Intel Officer) claims don't. He testified under oath to the Intelligence Community Inspector Generals, both Senate/House Intel Committees, and a public House Oversight Committee under oath that the USG has recovered crashed/landed non-human intelligence craft. The ICIG referred Grusch's claims to the intel committees as being "credible" and "urgent". David Grusch is not some random whistleblower we should be ignoring. He was a GS-15 intel officer read into over 2000 special access programs. He handled the presidential daily briefing, which they do not give to just anyone. Take a look at his resume to see how highly cleared he was https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG.... And let me just clarify - this is not just one person's claims. His work in the UAP Task Force had 40 people with direct, first hand knowledge of the programs. Some of whom worked on the NHI craft. He had these people testify to the ICIG, providing documentation, imagery, and other evidence. Listen, I know this sounds insane to most folks. The meat of his claims, beyond the craft, are that factions of the USG have *not* been properly giving congress(and even some presidents) oversight of these alleged Special Access Programs. The ICIG has most likely referred this case to the justice department, and his claims have started a congressional UAP Caucus in the house. Take a look at this interview with Marco Rubio, the ranking member of the Senate Intel Committee, as he's talking about the 40 whistleblower's claims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU Rep Jared Moscowitz, after a SCIF meeting with the ICIG, said "Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!" https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618 https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/17458524006304566... If you haven't watched the HOC hearing, or any of his other interviews, I highly recommend you do so. Or at the very least, read his opening statement he was giving to the HOC * HOC opening statement https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_G_HOC_Speech_FINAL_For_Trans.pdf https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Dave_... * HOC hearing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSCEWo2yjds * Initial interview with Ross Coulthart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZzDhDYMcw * Initial article https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... * Interview on JRE https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm * Interview with Tucker Carlson https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277?lang=en https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1735083523050975277... I'm not saying the claims are true. I'm just saying, the allegations are worth investigating and should not be dismissed outright. Edit: One final note. After Grusch's claims released, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer introduced an amendment to the NDAA 2024 titled "UAP Disclosure Act" which would've set up a presidential panel to declassify and release information that the USG has on the subject. It references the terminology "non-human intelligence" 27 times. The amendment was gutted by certain house members and unfortunately did not make it through in its initial form, but it's worth the read. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment...

tarcon 2y ago
Because he provided no evidence, merely hearsay.
- likeabbas 2y ago
  All of the evidence is classified. If he would've brought out imagery or any evidence to the public, he would've been put in jail. And it's not "hearsay" He brought 40 people with first hand knowledge to the ICIG. People who worked in the reverse engineering programs - who touched the craft. Unlike Snowden who just released a bunch of classified information to the public, Grusch went through the proper whistleblower channels and submitted the evidence to the ICIG. Look at my edit regarding the Senate Majority leader.
keepamovin 2y ago
At least it's getting discussed now. I think part of the reason could be Grusch is like "the deep end" for many people. Whereas Carter seeing a maybe-UFO is an easier introduction, which is perfectly fine! Everyone is at a different stage at this point :) BTW this was a really good summary!!! :)
- likeabbas 2y ago
  ty :) this is definitely a topic that's too taboo for most people to touch, but the allegations of the DoD withholding information from congress is very serious and this should not be overlooked. If his claims are true, our democracy is in peril imo
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Ur welcome! :) Totally, it is something which majorly does not look good. I think people in power should just come clean and say "We have no idea what's going on." But how can people in power admit something more powerful is toying with them? It's pretty hard, but I think their honesty would build credibility and begin the path not just of healing but of figuring out: what it is, do we need to respond, and how to respond. And getting away from the tired narrative of relying on government for "disclosure", that only recenters their authority in the face of a threat to it, and disempowers people. But I think we need to be empowered to deal with this: whether it's militarily, scientifically or studied in other ways. I think this is something that we need to deal with together, as a country or even world. I don't think some group of people working in the shadows can handle it. Hasn't it been 100 years already? But their reactions are still some reflection of "run, deny, hide". Not a great look for leaders and systems we are supposed to depend on!! So I think it can be better handled for sure.

tarcon 2y ago

Because he provided no evidence, merely hearsay.

likeabbas 2y ago
All of the evidence is classified. If he would've brought out imagery or any evidence to the public, he would've been put in jail. And it's not "hearsay" He brought 40 people with first hand knowledge to the ICIG. People who worked in the reverse engineering programs - who touched the craft. Unlike Snowden who just released a bunch of classified information to the public, Grusch went through the proper whistleblower channels and submitted the evidence to the ICIG. Look at my edit regarding the Senate Majority leader.

keepamovin 2y ago

At least it's getting discussed now. I think part of the reason could be Grusch is like "the deep end" for many people. Whereas Carter seeing a maybe-UFO is an easier introduction, which is perfectly fine! Everyone is at a different stage at this point :) BTW this was a really good summary!!! :)

likeabbas 2y ago
ty :) this is definitely a topic that's too taboo for most people to touch, but the allegations of the DoD withholding information from congress is very serious and this should not be overlooked. If his claims are true, our democracy is in peril imo
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Ur welcome! :) Totally, it is something which majorly does not look good. I think people in power should just come clean and say "We have no idea what's going on." But how can people in power admit something more powerful is toying with them? It's pretty hard, but I think their honesty would build credibility and begin the path not just of healing but of figuring out: what it is, do we need to respond, and how to respond. And getting away from the tired narrative of relying on government for "disclosure", that only recenters their authority in the face of a threat to it, and disempowers people. But I think we need to be empowered to deal with this: whether it's militarily, scientifically or studied in other ways. I think this is something that we need to deal with together, as a country or even world. I don't think some group of people working in the shadows can handle it. Hasn't it been 100 years already? But their reactions are still some reflection of "run, deny, hide". Not a great look for leaders and systems we are supposed to depend on!! So I think it can be better handled for sure.