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>> of course that's not what this is about. It's about Google providing the incentive, for ruining perfectly good websites. Wait,what? The author wants to mon

>> of course that's not what this is about. It's about Google providing the incentive, for ruining perfectly good websites. Wait,what? The author wants to monetize the site. He understands the actual users won't pay. So looking for an alternate option he turns to advertising. Google says "hey, unfortunately your site isn't appealing to advertisers." That's not Google's fault, they're just telling the truth as they see it. The site author has many choices at this point. One of them is to make the site better for advertisers (and worse for users). He chooses this route. Google should have stopped this how?

antihipocrat 3y ago
Are you suggesting the author's site is now better for advertisers? My takeaway from the author's example is that Google has set up a system that is incentivising actions leading to worse outcomes for both users (frustrating search experience) and advertisers (whose ad spend is not being well spent). Google has no incentive to improve the situation - because google has an effective monopoly.
- bruce511 3y ago
  >> Are you suggesting the author's site is now better for advertisers? No. Gaming the system in bad faith was just gaming the system. >> Google has no incentive to improve the situation - because google has an effective monopoly. Improvement in this case I assume meaning "identifying the site gamed the rules". I suspect, but don't know, that Google spends a lot on trying to identify site quality. But the ones building spammy (gamey?) sites are winning.
  - rstuart4133 3y ago
    > No. Gaming the system in bad faith was just gaming the system. Everything you say here is true, yet misses the point. Google search results are dominated by sites just like the one presented. This is something one no one likes - not the people doing the searches, nor the people doing the advertising and definitely (as this post shows) not the people creating the sites. They would much prefer just to put up their content without spending hours on creating LLM SEO spam. I'm sure Google is worried if they don't do better someone will they will lose relevance. Inquiring minds what to know how we ended up here. The article provides just that. It explains how the incentives Google have put in place drove him to producing one of those sites. He wanted that ad revenue and he wanted search results to find his site and the only way he could find to do that without spending an inordinate amount of time on generating content he had no personal interest in was to pollute it with LLM spam. You are criticising him for that, yet most web sites returned by Google all make that same choice. I guess according to you most of the web is acting in bad faith. If your objective is to get out of this mess, I don't think explanations like "the word is shit because humanity sucks" are helpful. The explanation they are being pushed towards that choice by a perverse set of incentives is much more illuminating. Those incentives are controlled by one company - Google. That company could change them, either voluntarily or by being forced to.
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> Google says "hey, unfortunately your site isn't appealing to advertisers." 1) Advertisers - plural? What other advertisers is Google referencing? In this context, 'advertisers' means all the other meaningfully similar ad options that the author could choose from. 2) This wording: "The team has reviewed it but unfortunately your site isn’t ready to show ads at this time." is Google's clear and blatant refusal to extend their ad ~monopoly to his web page. A refusal that gets satisfied only after he loads his site up with useless, time wasting crap. I'll grant the author did have a choice. The author could be denied access to Google's ad monopoly or he could crap up his web page.
- bitnasty 3y ago
  Advertisers are the ones paying to have their ads shown. Google is not an advertiser in this context.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    You are correct. And your observation is useful. It helps clarify that Google is lying - by pretending advertisers actively desire webpages that are unreadably overloaded with pap.
keepamovin 3y ago
I'm surprised no one commenting has really got this point. The truth is Google has a choice about the model it uses, Google has created the advertising industry online. Again, you disclaim Google of any responsibility for choice but hold the author to one? Doesn't that biased difference strike you as jarring? That's the point here. Everyone seems to complicate it; it's pretty simple. I'm not against you specifically, I just think this is a clear issue. Admittedly, not a lot of people grasp this right now.

antihipocrat 3y ago

Are you suggesting the author's site is now better for advertisers? My takeaway from the author's example is that Google has set up a system that is incentivising actions leading to worse outcomes for both users (frustrating search experience) and advertisers (whose ad spend is not being well spent). Google has no incentive to improve the situation - because google has an effective monopoly.

bruce511 3y ago
>> Are you suggesting the author's site is now better for advertisers? No. Gaming the system in bad faith was just gaming the system. >> Google has no incentive to improve the situation - because google has an effective monopoly. Improvement in this case I assume meaning "identifying the site gamed the rules". I suspect, but don't know, that Google spends a lot on trying to identify site quality. But the ones building spammy (gamey?) sites are winning.
- rstuart4133 3y ago
  > No. Gaming the system in bad faith was just gaming the system. Everything you say here is true, yet misses the point. Google search results are dominated by sites just like the one presented. This is something one no one likes - not the people doing the searches, nor the people doing the advertising and definitely (as this post shows) not the people creating the sites. They would much prefer just to put up their content without spending hours on creating LLM SEO spam. I'm sure Google is worried if they don't do better someone will they will lose relevance. Inquiring minds what to know how we ended up here. The article provides just that. It explains how the incentives Google have put in place drove him to producing one of those sites. He wanted that ad revenue and he wanted search results to find his site and the only way he could find to do that without spending an inordinate amount of time on generating content he had no personal interest in was to pollute it with LLM spam. You are criticising him for that, yet most web sites returned by Google all make that same choice. I guess according to you most of the web is acting in bad faith. If your objective is to get out of this mess, I don't think explanations like "the word is shit because humanity sucks" are helpful. The explanation they are being pushed towards that choice by a perverse set of incentives is much more illuminating. Those incentives are controlled by one company - Google. That company could change them, either voluntarily or by being forced to.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

> Google says "hey, unfortunately your site isn't appealing to advertisers." 1) Advertisers - plural? What other advertisers is Google referencing? In this context, 'advertisers' means all the other meaningfully similar ad options that the author could choose from. 2) This wording: "The team has reviewed it but unfortunately your site isn’t ready to show ads at this time." is Google's clear and blatant refusal to extend their ad ~monopoly to his web page. A refusal that gets satisfied only after he loads his site up with useless, time wasting crap. I'll grant the author did have a choice. The author could be denied access to Google's ad monopoly or he could crap up his web page.

bitnasty 3y ago
Advertisers are the ones paying to have their ads shown. Google is not an advertiser in this context.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  You are correct. And your observation is useful. It helps clarify that Google is lying - by pretending advertisers actively desire webpages that are unreadably overloaded with pap.

keepamovin 3y ago

I'm surprised no one commenting has really got this point. The truth is Google has a choice about the model it uses, Google has created the advertising industry online. Again, you disclaim Google of any responsibility for choice but hold the author to one? Doesn't that biased difference strike you as jarring? That's the point here. Everyone seems to complicate it; it's pretty simple. I'm not against you specifically, I just think this is a clear issue. Admittedly, not a lot of people grasp this right now.