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remember java? they forced OO onto users. a huge mistake. developers should not be forced to use a paradigm. same with memory safety. if they don’t get it, find

by b20000 2y ago

remember java? they forced OO onto users. a huge mistake. developers should not be forced to use a paradigm. same with memory safety. if they don’t get it, find better developers and pay more. essentially you are saying rust is great because companies can hire clueless people and rust will compensate for their inability. it’s clear from your comment you never built a device yourself running linux on an obscure SoC dealing with patches that were never accepted.

jeroenhd 2y ago
Java has been proven to work fine. I wouldn't use it for programming an OS, but it's absolutely massive for web development and other backend stuff. Applying patches to the Linux kernel isn't that hard? Porting abandoned code sucks, but putting in the work to finish and include the patches would just move that annoying work to the rest of the kernel instead of a few people working on weird SoCs. > essentially you are saying rust is great because companies can hire clueless people and rust will compensate for their inability That's not what I'm saying, at all. What I'm saying is that nobody is perfect, not even C developers. Even if the mythical perfect C developer, who writes bugless code, does all the necessary sanitization, and always applies the necessary layers of tooling even when personally inconvenient, does exist, they can make better use of their time by using a language toolset that doesn't necessitate that extra work in the first place, regardless of whether that's Rust, C++, Zig, Frama-C, Carbon or Jakt. The "everybody who makes mistakes is clueless" crowd is exactly why C developers get such a bad rep. C compilers have a billion warnings and -Weverything -Wnoimeaneverything -Wnoeverysinglething exactly because C developers, like any other developers, need help.

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remember java? they forced OO onto users. a huge mistake. developers should not be forced to use a paradigm. same with memory safety. if they don’t get it, find

by b20000 2y ago

jeroenhd 2y ago
Java has been proven to work fine. I wouldn't use it for programming an OS, but it's absolutely massive for web development and other backend stuff. Applying patches to the Linux kernel isn't that hard? Porting abandoned code sucks, but putting in the work to finish and include the patches would just move that annoying work to the rest of the kernel instead of a few people working on weird SoCs. > essentially you are saying rust is great because companies can hire clueless people and rust will compensate for their inability That's not what I'm saying, at all. What I'm saying is that nobody is perfect, not even C developers. Even if the mythical perfect C developer, who writes bugless code, does all the necessary sanitization, and always applies the necessary layers of tooling even when personally inconvenient, does exist, they can make better use of their time by using a language toolset that doesn't necessitate that extra work in the first place, regardless of whether that's Rust, C++, Zig, Frama-C, Carbon or Jakt. The "everybody who makes mistakes is clueless" crowd is exactly why C developers get such a bad rep. C compilers have a billion warnings and -Weverything -Wnoimeaneverything -Wnoeverysinglething exactly because C developers, like any other developers, need help.