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What's wrong with telling Google or whoever what you think your demographic is, and letting them place ads against it and optimize based on metrics. Why are wo

• carl_sandland 3y ago
  Why can't we use some sort of metadata tagging system instead? Isn't this what the person is indirectly trying to do: declare some simple tags, such as "US politics", but indirectly via a bunch of garbage fed into an auto-tagger?
  • bruce511 3y ago
    We tried that. It just lead to sites adding a million meta words to gather as much advertising as possible. But, as a thought exercise. Let's say you were selling ads directly to the business paying. Which businesses do you suppose might be interested on a congressional apportionment calculator?
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    • jonathankoren 3y ago
      Temu. But seriously, there are plenty of ads that are based on geo located IP. Then of course there’s the cookie (and cookie replacement) ads. Complaining about site content is pretty bogus.
    • kuschku 3y ago
      > Which businesses do you suppose might be interested on a congressional apportionment calculator? Political ads? Campaign ads? Newspapers advertising that they've got the fastest election news? People looking for an apportionment calculator are likely interested in a past or future election and interested in political topics. That's a lot of potential ads you could show.
      • bruce511 3y ago
        Cool, so sell to any one of those directly. I mean, the revenue from the site now must be terrible anyway. So if there us the value you suggest, it should be an easy sell. Probably less work than he went to to tweak the site. Then again, are people investigating vote targets undecided voters? And good luck getting media to advertise....
        • kuschku 3y ago
          Indeed, selling ads like this directly is the old school way of doing it. But even on YouTube it's back nowadays, most YouTubers get their money from sponsorships which work just the same as old-school pre-internet ad placement.
  • ajross 3y ago
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but (1) we did once[1], because you're right that it seems like an obvious fit. But in practice (2) it got absolutely crushed in the market performance-wise by more sophisticated algorithms like Facebook's and Google's (Amazon plays in this world too, though they have an easier space to search). It turns out that the fundamental game in the ad world isn't serving ads that site administrators and content creators think their users want to see, it's figuring out what the users of that content actually want and showing them that instead. And indeed, that cuts the site operator out of the loop, and forces them (if they want to make money from these ad algorithms) to design a site that will attract users with easily-intuited advertising needs. And the linked article doesn't have that. [1] And still do in parallel niche markets like porn.
    • dylan604 3y ago
      It wasn't just the meta tags that were abused. People were adding text into invisible elements, or text as the same color as the background, etc. This was the precursor to SEO and ads really, and just people trying to get listed higher in search. As soon as it can be gamed, it will be gamed. It's just the scammy nature of it all. Now that it's "AI" generated content, it will get to enshitified almost immediately on any system that is created
• bruce511 3y ago
  Well firstly, I'm not sure the site author knows the demographic. I'm pretty sure he doesn't ask that sort of thing before doing the calculation. Secondly the way Google determines the demographic is via the site content. Or to put it another way; site owners don't have a "right" to Adsense. Google is clearly allowed to choose those sites it considers "to be good advertising sites". Therefore if you have a site that doesn't offer good advertising opportunities, then don't be surprised if people don't want to advertise on it. To be clear, I'm not saying all sites should be ad friendly. I'm saying that advertising alone cannot prop up every site, useful or not.
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  • 8note 3y ago
    Google has a monopoly though. Multiple monopolies even. If Google had competition in the ads space, this would be less of an issue, as the author could pick an advertiser that works for their website, rather than contorting their website for google
    • bruce511 3y ago
      Tell me more about the advertising potential an alternative advertiser would see in this site? Or to put it another way, what product should this be advertising on this site? Because there are a lot of companies in the world, so of you can identify just one of them, they'll likely pay enough for exclusivity.
      • bitnasty 3y ago
        I would think this tool is useful for students or journalists. Grammarly and other writing tools would be relevant. Obviously, people who are interested in government or politics, so political ads are hugely relevant.
• Brybry 3y ago
  Cause then everyone tells Google that their demographic is the one that shows ads that pay the best. Though people are doing that with SEO anyway so it is a weird game. I think maybe all ads would need to be the same value to fix a lot of the nonsense. But I don't know if that could ever work, especially with how seasonal ad revenue is.
  • bee_rider 3y ago
    If everyone that wants to scam Google just says they have whatever audience pays best, that should result in lots of slots for that audience. Somehow that should tank the price, right? Then, ban pages that change their audience too often.
• renewiltord 3y ago
  Because these ads are less effective than targeted programmatic advertising so you'll get bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.