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People have to stop building on Google software/apis. You’re just doing it to yourself at this point if you have any other alternative (obviously Android isn’t

People have to stop building on Google software/apis. You’re just doing it to yourself at this point if you have any other alternative (obviously Android isn’t included in this).

sattoshi 2y ago
Which is probably part of the reason Flutter is getting shuttered. The Google brand is too unreliable to capture developer mindshare now.
- karmakaze 2y ago
  But Flutter was the way out of all the fragmented historical legacy Android APIs and offers a cross-platform development experience.
- nmfisher 2y ago
  Flutter isn't getting shuttered though? AFAICT these are company-wide layoffs that are affecting the Flutter team.
- xen0 2y ago
  That the current team has just been mown by the latest swing of the scythe, doesn't mean the product is being killed. At least in some other cases, other teams are being spun up or being changed to take on these projects. Of course, that doesn't mean this isn't disruptive or unfortunate.
iobug 2y ago
In my team I have a policy to not depend on Google, apart from obviously, Android. Their KTLO on every product is absolute poo — will take an MS equivalent any day of the week.
- htrp 2y ago
  I mean Microsoft Access is still around
zrn900 2y ago
Their leadership is literally sh*tting on anyone by shutting down service after service in the faces of whoever made the mistake of building something on those services. They already lost their credibility it goes beyond that now - at this rate, they will attract the attention of the regulators: A gigantic monopoly controlling vast swaths of the internet and playing with people's money, time, businesses, and livelihoods like they are their pet projects...
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  Unless you mean that these leaders are taking their pants off and depositing feces on people, they are not "literally shitting on" anyone. They are figuratively shitting on people.
  - withinboredom 2y ago
    Why-not-both.jpg
  - doublepg23 2y ago
    Literally has also meant figuratively for a while now.
  - snapcaster 2y ago
    You're wrong actually, go check a dictionary
rightbyte 2y ago
> (obviously Android isn’t included in this). Why? Android is a never ending grind to support due to api churn.
- throwaway5959 2y ago
  Because outside of deploying your app as a web application there aren’t a lot of other ways to get your app onto Android devices aside from… developing Android apps.
  - beretguy 2y ago
    So make a PWA.
- udev4096 2y ago
  Let's not forget, AOSP is still maintained by different individuals aside from Google. Google is mainly interested in integrating it's own "GApps" ecosystem, which introduces ridiculous amount of telemetry and degrades the security of the phone
  - pquki4 2y ago
    (I never participated in the AOSP project or read the commit logs, so this is just gathered from news) My impression is that big features come directly from Google, although I do know that OEMs contribute things here and here, like Sony "donating" LDAC upstream.
riku_iki 2y ago
> You’re just doing it to yourself at this point if you have any other alternative alternatives can also disappear.
- beretguy 2y ago
  Can websites disappear?
  - bloppe 2y ago
    I've seen it happen
pquki4 2y ago
Well, Android development has noticably slowed down and got less attention. Look at Android 14 page. What are those "new features"? Not really worth talking about it you compare with previous versions. And Android 14 barely got mentioned in the previous Google IO. Meanwhile there is so much that needs improvement in Android. To begin with, password Autofill. Compared to iOS, this is a nightmare.
- muzani 2y ago
  Ehhh, I've barely managed to keep up with all the changes to Android. Things like permissions/security, Jetpack, Material 3. I'm happy to let them slow down for a bit.
- nineteen999 2y ago
  > To begin with, password Autofill. Compared to iOS, this is a nightmare. Really, my practical experience has been the other way around.
  - Grazester 2y ago
    And this seems to be the general consensus. iOS autofill is terrible compared to Android's. Android at this point is a mature OS we are only going to be seeing polishing at this point.

People have to stop building on Google software/apis. You’re just doing it to yourself at this point if you have any other alternative (obviously Android isn’t included in this).

sattoshi 2y ago

Which is probably part of the reason Flutter is getting shuttered. The Google brand is too unreliable to capture developer mindshare now.

karmakaze 2y ago
But Flutter was the way out of all the fragmented historical legacy Android APIs and offers a cross-platform development experience.
nmfisher 2y ago
Flutter isn't getting shuttered though? AFAICT these are company-wide layoffs that are affecting the Flutter team.
xen0 2y ago
That the current team has just been mown by the latest swing of the scythe, doesn't mean the product is being killed. At least in some other cases, other teams are being spun up or being changed to take on these projects. Of course, that doesn't mean this isn't disruptive or unfortunate.

iobug 2y ago

In my team I have a policy to not depend on Google, apart from obviously, Android. Their KTLO on every product is absolute poo — will take an MS equivalent any day of the week.

htrp 2y ago
I mean Microsoft Access is still around

zrn900 2y ago

Their leadership is literally sh*tting on anyone by shutting down service after service in the faces of whoever made the mistake of building something on those services. They already lost their credibility it goes beyond that now - at this rate, they will attract the attention of the regulators: A gigantic monopoly controlling vast swaths of the internet and playing with people's money, time, businesses, and livelihoods like they are their pet projects...

bigstrat2003 2y ago
Unless you mean that these leaders are taking their pants off and depositing feces on people, they are not "literally shitting on" anyone. They are figuratively shitting on people.
- withinboredom 2y ago
  Why-not-both.jpg
- doublepg23 2y ago
  Literally has also meant figuratively for a while now.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  You're wrong actually, go check a dictionary

rightbyte 2y ago

> (obviously Android isn’t included in this). Why? Android is a never ending grind to support due to api churn.

throwaway5959 2y ago
Because outside of deploying your app as a web application there aren’t a lot of other ways to get your app onto Android devices aside from… developing Android apps.
- beretguy 2y ago
  So make a PWA.
udev4096 2y ago
Let's not forget, AOSP is still maintained by different individuals aside from Google. Google is mainly interested in integrating it's own "GApps" ecosystem, which introduces ridiculous amount of telemetry and degrades the security of the phone
- pquki4 2y ago
  (I never participated in the AOSP project or read the commit logs, so this is just gathered from news) My impression is that big features come directly from Google, although I do know that OEMs contribute things here and here, like Sony "donating" LDAC upstream.

riku_iki 2y ago

> You’re just doing it to yourself at this point if you have any other alternative alternatives can also disappear.

beretguy 2y ago
Can websites disappear?
- bloppe 2y ago
  I've seen it happen

pquki4 2y ago

Well, Android development has noticably slowed down and got less attention. Look at Android 14 page. What are those "new features"? Not really worth talking about it you compare with previous versions. And Android 14 barely got mentioned in the previous Google IO. Meanwhile there is so much that needs improvement in Android. To begin with, password Autofill. Compared to iOS, this is a nightmare.

muzani 2y ago
Ehhh, I've barely managed to keep up with all the changes to Android. Things like permissions/security, Jetpack, Material 3. I'm happy to let them slow down for a bit.
nineteen999 2y ago
> To begin with, password Autofill. Compared to iOS, this is a nightmare. Really, my practical experience has been the other way around.
- Grazester 2y ago
  And this seems to be the general consensus. iOS autofill is terrible compared to Android's. Android at this point is a mature OS we are only going to be seeing polishing at this point.