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> Electric cars as an economic proposition have already proved themselves. That debate is pretty much over. Have they? It seems that when rubber meets the road
by ok123456 3y ago
> Electric cars as an economic proposition have already proved themselves. That debate is pretty much over.
Have they? It seems that when rubber meets the road, so to speak, it is not a simple one-to-one replacement for gas or diesel vehicles. The day-to-day ownership is more complicated, planning your itinerary and day around sparse public charging and owning property to have at-home charging. Also, the long-term ownership, having low resale value due to the high repair costs of the electric drivetrain and low overall repairability, makes ownership a poor proposition for most average people.
Electric cars have been on the market for over a decade. Show me one that someone has kept past 200,000 miles. Meanwhile, you can find Toyotas and Hondas well past that benchmark all day on Marketplace.
- resolutebat 3y agoAs requested: https://www.fleetandleasing.com/leasing-news-1/high-mileage-tesla-close-to-400000-miles-on-the-clock/ https://www.fleetandleasing.com/leasing-news-1/high-mileage-...
- bdcravens 3y ago> Show me one that someone has kept past 200,000 miles. Meanwhile, you can find Toyotas and Hondas well past that benchmark all day on Marketplace. Even among gas cars, those who buy new rarely keep cars that long. The average is about 8 years. I've owned several Hondas and Toyotas, and I've never hit 100k on one. (even though I have no doubt any of them would still be on the road) (My current car is a Kia EV6)
- ok123456 3y agoEven if you decide to get rid of your cars prematurely (that's your choice), the increased cost of ownership is reflected in their terrible resale value. Look at the trend lines of Tesla resale values. I've owned Mercedes with over 300k and Hondas with over 250k.
- cogman10 3y agoI'm at 130,000 now, I'll let you know when I roll over the 200,000 mark.
- bbarn 3y agoPlug in hybrid, not pure BEV, but my 2014 GM Volt has 275K on it, have had to do minimal maintenance. Probably use 80-90% on battery only, few road trips where I've used gas. I have a BEV as well, and I have to say - I don't understand why the PHEV market didn't take off. All the savings for daily trips, and the convenience of gas to never think about range anxiety.
- sundvor 3y agoThe amount of EV misinformation in this thread is staggering. There's heaps of Tesla cars that have done very significant mileage. And as battery technology improves, early generations have been covered by very generous warranties. Here's one such story, finding others would be a low effort undertaking: https://youtu.be/1m5gs8mki8o?si=jfDT9NyZTdCL5rmm https://youtu.be/1m5gs8mki8o?si=jfDT9NyZTdCL5rmm Those with 300-400k mileage cars, being earlier generations, a good number have had their battery replaced under warranty with new units. Reliability has only improved over the years, and again, the warranty time has been generous - unlimited km on earlier ones. (My '22 LR3 is 8 year /192k KM, I've only done 19k KM over 2 years, so the limit won't be an issue. I plan on having it for at least that long. Oh and that's at least ~70% charged by rooftop PV). Also: Other manufacturers are clearly playing catch up to Tesla, but they are getting there.
- _ea1k 3y agoIDK why these threads are like this in HN. It seems strange, given the sites tendency to attract techies, but many of them turn like this. And yet you go into car forums and supposedly most Tesla owners are "tech bros". :shrug
- _ea1k 3y agoThe most popular EVs in the US are the Model 3 and Model Y. The oldest 3 is 7 years old, so getting it over 200k would mean ~28k/year. And yet, there are some that have over 200k miles. It isn't uncommon to run across them.