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> There's also enough barren desert space just in Nevada to power the entire continent of North America. Q: How do you transport that across "the entire contie

> There's also enough barren desert space just in Nevada to power the entire continent of North America. Q: How do you transport that across "the entire contient of North America"?

brk 2y ago
A: Wires It really is a solved problem.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  But will it impact 0.0000001% of native desert fauna? Perhaps we should keep burning coal then.
- logifail 2y ago
  > It really is a solved problem. <chuckle> "Vast swaths of the United States are at risk of running short of power as electricity-hungry data centers and clean-technology factories proliferate around the country, leaving utilities and regulators grasping for credible plans to expand the nation’s creaking power grid." https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/07/ai-data-centers-power/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/07/ai-data-c... "Energy experts and analysts have warned for years now that America’s power grid will not be able to accommodate the explosive growth in electricity demand it faces without a huge increase in generation capacity." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/03/11/green-energy-disaster-grid-renewables-power/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/03/11/green-ener... "The U.S. electric grid is often described as a vast, synchronized machine — a network of wires carrying electricity from power plants across the country into our homes [...] in reality, there is no single U.S. grid. There are three — one in the West, one in the East and one in Texas — that only connect at a few points and share little power between them. Those grids are further divided into a patchwork of operators with competing interests. That makes it hard to build the long-distance power lines needed to transport wind and solar nationwide." "Many spots with the best sun and wind are far from cities and the existing grid. To make the plan work, the nation would need thousands of miles of new high-voltage transmission lines — large power lines that would span multiple grid regions." https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/12/climate/us-electric-grid-energy-transition.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/12/climate/us-el...
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    Thousands of miles of transmission lines seems reasonable though? We have hundreds of thousands already.
    - logifail 2y ago
      > Thousands of miles of transmission lines seems reasonable though? Step 1: Stop worrying about coming up with an idea for a startup... Step 2: Build "thousands of miles of transmission lines" Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit!
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        What an irritating reply. 1) We already build thousands of transmission line miles per year, so describing this as unreasonable is just out of touch 2) the ??? step is just regular transmission utility business. There’s no ambiguity here.
Terr_ 2y ago
A bigger issue would be how you handle not all of America being in sunlight at the same time, or what happens When that section happens to be freakishly cloudy.
johnea 2y ago
Electricity, unlike oil, can flow through a transmission line. Leaks are not an eco disaster...
- toast0 2y ago
  When the electricity leaks and starts a wildfire, that's a disaster.
  - max-ibel 2y ago
    the high voltage lines are probably not causing wildfires; it's the low voltage wooden poles that do.
antisthenes 2y ago
For starters, you could power Nevada and the neighboring states with mostly solar. Mexico has their own deserts to power their country with solar and Canada is already well ahead on renewables through hydropower. Don't worry about premature optimization.
aurizon 2y ago
very high voltage transmission lines do this well.
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> There's also enough barren desert space just in Nevada to power the entire continent of North America. Q: How do you transport that across "the entire contient of North America"?

brk 2y ago

A: Wires It really is a solved problem.

dzhiurgis 2y ago
But will it impact 0.0000001% of native desert fauna? Perhaps we should keep burning coal then.
logifail 2y ago
> It really is a solved problem. <chuckle> "Vast swaths of the United States are at risk of running short of power as electricity-hungry data centers and clean-technology factories proliferate around the country, leaving utilities and regulators grasping for credible plans to expand the nation’s creaking power grid." https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/07/ai-data-centers-power/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/07/ai-data-c... "Energy experts and analysts have warned for years now that America’s power grid will not be able to accommodate the explosive growth in electricity demand it faces without a huge increase in generation capacity." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/03/11/green-energy-disaster-grid-renewables-power/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/03/11/green-ener... "The U.S. electric grid is often described as a vast, synchronized machine — a network of wires carrying electricity from power plants across the country into our homes [...] in reality, there is no single U.S. grid. There are three — one in the West, one in the East and one in Texas — that only connect at a few points and share little power between them. Those grids are further divided into a patchwork of operators with competing interests. That makes it hard to build the long-distance power lines needed to transport wind and solar nationwide." "Many spots with the best sun and wind are far from cities and the existing grid. To make the plan work, the nation would need thousands of miles of new high-voltage transmission lines — large power lines that would span multiple grid regions." https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/12/climate/us-electric-grid-energy-transition.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/12/climate/us-el...
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  Thousands of miles of transmission lines seems reasonable though? We have hundreds of thousands already.
  - logifail 2y ago
    > Thousands of miles of transmission lines seems reasonable though? Step 1: Stop worrying about coming up with an idea for a startup... Step 2: Build "thousands of miles of transmission lines" Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit!
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      What an irritating reply. 1) We already build thousands of transmission line miles per year, so describing this as unreasonable is just out of touch 2) the ??? step is just regular transmission utility business. There’s no ambiguity here.

Terr_ 2y ago

A bigger issue would be how you handle not all of America being in sunlight at the same time, or what happens When that section happens to be freakishly cloudy.

johnea 2y ago

Electricity, unlike oil, can flow through a transmission line. Leaks are not an eco disaster...

toast0 2y ago
When the electricity leaks and starts a wildfire, that's a disaster.
- max-ibel 2y ago
  the high voltage lines are probably not causing wildfires; it's the low voltage wooden poles that do.

antisthenes 2y ago

For starters, you could power Nevada and the neighboring states with mostly solar. Mexico has their own deserts to power their country with solar and Canada is already well ahead on renewables through hydropower. Don't worry about premature optimization.

aurizon 2y ago

very high voltage transmission lines do this well.

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