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Uh plenty of Sweden see that as a huge invasion of privacy Sweden also doesn’t have secret ballot In Sweden, anyone can look up your address, phone number, so

• ghaff 2y ago
  If you own property in the US, I can look up your address, your landline if you still have one, probably not that hard to find SSN, etc.
  • ImJamal 2y ago
    If you own property in your name you could look up your address. Some people do not directly own their house though.
    • thfuran 2y ago
      Approximately 0% of people have property in a trust instead of in their own name.
  • nxm 2y ago
    The SSN is not something you should be able to find easily
• bananskalhalk 2y ago
  Secret ballot was introduced 1866 in Sweden. I think we were the third country in the world to do so.
  • bedobi 2y ago
    Sweden has never had secret ballot. The “Valmyndigheten” election authority themselves have criticized the lack of secrecy and general chaos with Sweden’s ballots. But what do they know? They only administer the elections. Swedes have a highly developed superiority complex and ability to perform mental gymnastics about the flaws of their country and ways of doing things. No sane person from any other country in the world would consider a system where voters must, in public and under the active scrutiny of other voters and local election officials (who are themselves politicians and party members) pick ballots for the party you intend to vote for and then bring it into the “secret” booth. Any child or idiot can see that’s not secret other than in the most distorted and disingenuous sense of the word.
    • AshamedCaptain 2y ago
      Can't you just pick ballots for more than one party before going into the "secret" booth?
      • bedobi 2y ago
        This is the most common counter, but it doesn’t change the fact that the ballot is not secret. Again, you’re picking ballots in public and under the active scrutiny of other voters and election officials, and there is a strong and palpable disincentive to pick ballots from the “wrong” parties, and a strong and palpable incentive for showing your neighbors and friends you pick only the correct ballots before going into the booth. Smaller parties have to come up with nationwide ballots themselves, which is often impossible. People can and do also vandalize, hide, throw away and illegally modify the ballots such that voters who show up can not vote according to their wishes. I have personally experienced TWICE having to ask the election officials out loud to restock the ballots for the party I intended to vote for, and so have countless others. I could go on. These are all known problems that the election authority themselves have pointed out should be rectified, but they never will be, because the system is working as intended. (discouraging votes for the wrong parties)
      • bananskalhalk 2y ago
        Yeah, and blank ones if you want to write down the party of your choice. You could bring your own ballot if you so choose, or vote pretty much anywhere else than were you live during a ~ three week long period.
        • bedobi 2y ago
          yeah... or you could just implement secret ballot like all sane countries have > blank ones if you want to write down the party of your choice this can and does risk resulting in the vote not being counted (due to alleged illegibility, a tiny spelling error or whatever) > You could bring your own ballot if you so choose same thing, your own ballot could be considered illegitimate + even in the best case that you obtain a real lawful ballot, only a tiny fraction of people are willing and able to go through the trouble of doing so + again, by requesting a ballot, secrecy is out the window > or vote pretty much anywhere else than were you live during a ~ three week long period the suggestions just keep getting more and more ridiculous - no one should have to do any of this! everyone should be able to just rock up and vote with secrecy preserved, without having to prepare or use all these hacks
• noodlesUK 2y ago
  Party affiliation, which is mandatory in some U.S. states for voters (e.g. Oregon) is available to anyone who wants to access the registration dataset from the Secretary of State.
  • ghaff 2y ago
    I assume you can also be independent though maybe there are implication for voting in primaries. At least in MA being on voting lists puts your address in the available registration dataset. It takes very little to deanonymize things like healthcare records with this information as was demonstrated going back to the 1990s.
    • noodlesUK 2y ago
      You can be unaffiliated (or a member of the confusingly named Independent Party) but you’re right, you then can’t vote in any primary elections.