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Seriously, what is the reason for this move? The language is so good and well known that they don't need a dedicated team to do these activites you talked abou

Seriously, what is the reason for this move? The language is so good and well known that they don't need a dedicated team to do these activites you talked about? Or are they hiring cheaper workers? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40171125#40176438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40171125#40176438 I don't understand such a move, because all AI is developed in pytorch. I think that google uses JAX and pytorch.

zem 2y ago
they are building a new python team from scratch in munich, for whatever reason. yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either.
- joyboyluffy 2y ago
  I am sure you will find another job that you really like. Well you said you guys were seriously understaffed but that makes it more nonsense to fire them. So were you guys working on a specific project and will those guys from munich continue on it.
  - zem 2y ago
    we were working on a ton of stuff (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40176338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40176338) - pretty sure the munich team will need to pick up most or all of it.
- rtpg 2y ago
  Salary, right? I have to imagine at one point the gap between US devs and European devs is starting to be felt
  - happyopossum 2y ago
    The team wasn't US based - GP is in .nl...
    - rtpg 2y ago
      As others have pointed out, OP is in NL, but the rest of the team was in the US.
- luckyrand 2y ago
  I’m sorry to hear that. It does not make sense at all. Python cython is a complex ecosystem. It is very difficult for new engineers to pick up speed. Do you think there is some priority change? Like more focus on internal use case, instead of upstream contribution?
  - zem 2y ago
    i doubt there is much room for a priority change. as i said elsewhere, we were a pretty understaffed team, so we were already very focused on the highest value internal use cases. we did have a couple of people who also worked on the core python interpreter, but that was only a fraction of their duties, and even our open source and upstream contributions were driven by stuff that google also needed done.
    - Bcobleigh2 2y ago
      The Python Foundation team should spin off and make an AI company. Would probably receive a lot of interest from investors.
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Sleepful 2y ago
In my mind it would make sense if there are some laws to which they want to adhere, perhaps something EU-related (GDPR? IDK), and moving to Munich might be a good way of prioritizing. Perhaps something US-related they don't like, see for example that TikTok is an AI company and yeah, or the KYC-related stuff [1]. However, I am talking out of my ass, I don't really keep up with laws, upcoming bills or anything like that. :shrug: [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158752

zem 2y ago

they are building a new python team from scratch in munich, for whatever reason. yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either.

joyboyluffy 2y ago
I am sure you will find another job that you really like. Well you said you guys were seriously understaffed but that makes it more nonsense to fire them. So were you guys working on a specific project and will those guys from munich continue on it.
- zem 2y ago
  we were working on a ton of stuff (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40176338 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40176338) - pretty sure the munich team will need to pick up most or all of it.
rtpg 2y ago
Salary, right? I have to imagine at one point the gap between US devs and European devs is starting to be felt
- happyopossum 2y ago
  The team wasn't US based - GP is in .nl...
  - rtpg 2y ago
    As others have pointed out, OP is in NL, but the rest of the team was in the US.
luckyrand 2y ago
I’m sorry to hear that. It does not make sense at all. Python cython is a complex ecosystem. It is very difficult for new engineers to pick up speed. Do you think there is some priority change? Like more focus on internal use case, instead of upstream contribution?
- zem 2y ago
  i doubt there is much room for a priority change. as i said elsewhere, we were a pretty understaffed team, so we were already very focused on the highest value internal use cases. we did have a couple of people who also worked on the core python interpreter, but that was only a fraction of their duties, and even our open source and upstream contributions were driven by stuff that google also needed done.
  - Bcobleigh2 2y ago
    The Python Foundation team should spin off and make an AI company. Would probably receive a lot of interest from investors.
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Sleepful 2y ago

In my mind it would make sense if there are some laws to which they want to adhere, perhaps something EU-related (GDPR? IDK), and moving to Munich might be a good way of prioritizing. Perhaps something US-related they don't like, see for example that TikTok is an AI company and yeah, or the KYC-related stuff [1]. However, I am talking out of my ass, I don't really keep up with laws, upcoming bills or anything like that. :shrug: [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158752