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I’m struggling to see what’s wrong with Federighi’s argument. Why should he not want to protect Apple’s position? Apple has no monopoly on mobile messaging or h

I’m struggling to see what’s wrong with Federighi’s argument. Why should he not want to protect Apple’s position? Apple has no monopoly on mobile messaging or hardware, and they didn’t 8 years ago either, so they can do what they like here. What is Apple supposed to do? Spend time and money on interop to better the lives of Android users? There’s nothing wrong with them doing so if they like, but I fail to see any obligation they have.

Teever 2y ago
You're right. They obviously have no motivation to do the correct thing, so the solution is government regulation. We live in a world where every landline telephone can dial another with no trickery or fuckery from your phone manufacturer. That is a good thing. We should extend that functionally to smartphones.
- CharlesW 2y ago
  > They obviously have no motivation to do the correct thing, so the solution is government regulation. The solution to what? Apple supports SMS/MMS. They've pre-announced (something they rarely do) RCS support. They support VoLTE for HD voice calls. Let's say the federal government eminent-domains iMessage protocols. Then what? Do you really think Apple's just going to carry traffic from untrusted devices, and for free?
- INGSOCIALITE 2y ago
  what "correct thing"? i can text people who use android phones just fine. TBH this all boils down to the ridiculous blue / green bubble thing. that's the ONLY difference in texting between devices. i honestly have no clue why apple would be regulated in any way over this!
  - stuartd 2y ago
    It's not the only difference, at least where I live - I have to significantly reduce image sizes to send them to Android users..
    - simonh 2y ago
      Which is a limitation of the messaging protocol. Apple has announced they will add support for RCS this year, which should address these issues.
      - Teever 2y ago
        And why are they adding RCS? Because the EU is starting to regulate them so theyve stopped dragging their ass on this.
        zer00eyz 2y ago
        Because RCS has reached the point where it should be taken seriously. The bulk of apples iPhone business is on US carriers. Who, on a good day, are in the Stone Age.
        bigstrat2003 2y ago
        If you think that Apple supporting RCS has to do with the tech and not with regulatory pressure, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you.
        alternatex 2y ago
        RCS reached that point by being dragged there by Google.
        selectodude 2y ago
        It was actually China.
        throw0101c 2y ago
        > Because the EU is starting to regulate them so theyve stopped dragging their ass on this. Or it's China mandating RCS to be able to acquire '5G certification': * CN: https://www.miit.gov.cn/gzcy/yjzj/art/2023/art_2d5a7969581b4b12a78cd2c455649a8c.html https://www.miit.gov.cn/gzcy/yjzj/art/2023/art_2d5a7969581b4... * EN: https://old.reddit.com/r/UniversalProfile/comments/153rrwl/chinas_proposed_regulation_could_force_apple_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UniversalProfile/comments/153rrwl/c... > China Mobile, China Telecom and China Unicom yesterday (8 April) released a 5G messaging white paper outlining their commitment to mandate all compatible handsets sold in the country support Rich Communication Services (RCS). * https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/latest-news/china-operators-make-major-rcs-commitment-whitepaper/ https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/latest-news/china-operat...
  - robocat 2y ago
    Costs me $0.5 to send an image or other MMS locally to Android. Even a txt costs me if the Android is overseas. I have a cheap plan in New Zealand. Blue/green might be irrelevant to you, but it is definitely not irrelevant to many people.
    - gretch 2y ago
      > Costs me $0.5 to send an image or other MMS > Even a txt costs me if the Android is overseas Sounds like your telecom sucks. Why are you demanding something of Apple. Why don’t you get your government to regulate your own telecoms?
      - robocat 2y ago
        > Why are you demanding something of Apple Not me. I object to you making up bullshit about me. I just stated facts - no opinions given.
      - Teever 2y ago
        You say that as if we can't and shouldn't do both?
    - simonh 2y ago
      Sorry, you think Apple is charging you these carrier fees? Hilarious.
      - robocat 2y ago
        Whats with the false accusation?
    - icehawk 2y ago
      Ok so what is your point? That's the carrier.
  - Teever 2y ago
    Because theyre soon going to be deemed an illegal monopoly and regulated as such. This is probably one of the things the government will be regulating. But like you said, if it's a minor thing then Apple will have no problem complying and it's no big deal.
- sonofhans 2y ago
  You’re going to have to be much more specific if you want to make any sense. All cell phones can already call other cell phones. All cell phones can already message other cell phones.
  - Teever 2y ago
    Yeah, exactly, and we should continue to see the regulated implementation of these kinds of interoperability at all levels of the stack.
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    You ignore that for a while that actually wasn't the case. If you left the Apple ecosystem, for multiple years the steps to get your number/account disassociated from iMessage so your contacts could reach you by SMS again were not default, not obvious, and not disclosed.
barryrandall 2y ago
Lots of Apple customers wanted the ability to send and receive rich media messages with their friends and family on Android devices. What they got instead was a monopolist who insisted on being able to monetize both sides of every human interaction.

Teever 2y ago

You're right. They obviously have no motivation to do the correct thing, so the solution is government regulation. We live in a world where every landline telephone can dial another with no trickery or fuckery from your phone manufacturer. That is a good thing. We should extend that functionally to smartphones.

CharlesW 2y ago
> They obviously have no motivation to do the correct thing, so the solution is government regulation. The solution to what? Apple supports SMS/MMS. They've pre-announced (something they rarely do) RCS support. They support VoLTE for HD voice calls. Let's say the federal government eminent-domains iMessage protocols. Then what? Do you really think Apple's just going to carry traffic from untrusted devices, and for free?
INGSOCIALITE 2y ago
what "correct thing"? i can text people who use android phones just fine. TBH this all boils down to the ridiculous blue / green bubble thing. that's the ONLY difference in texting between devices. i honestly have no clue why apple would be regulated in any way over this!
- stuartd 2y ago
  It's not the only difference, at least where I live - I have to significantly reduce image sizes to send them to Android users..
  - simonh 2y ago
    Which is a limitation of the messaging protocol. Apple has announced they will add support for RCS this year, which should address these issues.
    - Teever 2y ago
      And why are they adding RCS? Because the EU is starting to regulate them so theyve stopped dragging their ass on this.
      - zer00eyz 2y ago
        Because RCS has reached the point where it should be taken seriously. The bulk of apples iPhone business is on US carriers. Who, on a good day, are in the Stone Age.
        bigstrat2003 2y ago
        If you think that Apple supporting RCS has to do with the tech and not with regulatory pressure, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you.
        alternatex 2y ago
        RCS reached that point by being dragged there by Google.
      - selectodude 2y ago
        It was actually China.
      - throw0101c 2y ago
        > Because the EU is starting to regulate them so theyve stopped dragging their ass on this. Or it's China mandating RCS to be able to acquire '5G certification': * CN: https://www.miit.gov.cn/gzcy/yjzj/art/2023/art_2d5a7969581b4b12a78cd2c455649a8c.html https://www.miit.gov.cn/gzcy/yjzj/art/2023/art_2d5a7969581b4... * EN: https://old.reddit.com/r/UniversalProfile/comments/153rrwl/chinas_proposed_regulation_could_force_apple_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UniversalProfile/comments/153rrwl/c... > China Mobile, China Telecom and China Unicom yesterday (8 April) released a 5G messaging white paper outlining their commitment to mandate all compatible handsets sold in the country support Rich Communication Services (RCS). * https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/latest-news/china-operators-make-major-rcs-commitment-whitepaper/ https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/latest-news/china-operat...
- robocat 2y ago
  Costs me $0.5 to send an image or other MMS locally to Android. Even a txt costs me if the Android is overseas. I have a cheap plan in New Zealand. Blue/green might be irrelevant to you, but it is definitely not irrelevant to many people.
  - gretch 2y ago
    > Costs me $0.5 to send an image or other MMS > Even a txt costs me if the Android is overseas Sounds like your telecom sucks. Why are you demanding something of Apple. Why don’t you get your government to regulate your own telecoms?
    - robocat 2y ago
      > Why are you demanding something of Apple Not me. I object to you making up bullshit about me. I just stated facts - no opinions given.
    - Teever 2y ago
      You say that as if we can't and shouldn't do both?
  - simonh 2y ago
    Sorry, you think Apple is charging you these carrier fees? Hilarious.
    - robocat 2y ago
      Whats with the false accusation?
  - icehawk 2y ago
    Ok so what is your point? That's the carrier.
- Teever 2y ago
  Because theyre soon going to be deemed an illegal monopoly and regulated as such. This is probably one of the things the government will be regulating. But like you said, if it's a minor thing then Apple will have no problem complying and it's no big deal.
sonofhans 2y ago
You’re going to have to be much more specific if you want to make any sense. All cell phones can already call other cell phones. All cell phones can already message other cell phones.
- Teever 2y ago
  Yeah, exactly, and we should continue to see the regulated implementation of these kinds of interoperability at all levels of the stack.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  You ignore that for a while that actually wasn't the case. If you left the Apple ecosystem, for multiple years the steps to get your number/account disassociated from iMessage so your contacts could reach you by SMS again were not default, not obvious, and not disclosed.

barryrandall 2y ago

Lots of Apple customers wanted the ability to send and receive rich media messages with their friends and family on Android devices. What they got instead was a monopolist who insisted on being able to monetize both sides of every human interaction.