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Ducks: “evidence suggest duck blinds are just reeds” Which is a fun way to say the rules for evidence change a bit when what you’re studying could be actively

Ducks: “evidence suggest duck blinds are just reeds” Which is a fun way to say the rules for evidence change a bit when what you’re studying could be actively deceiving you and is smarter than you. How do the rules change? No idea.

Nevermark 3y ago
The big weakness of the Dark Forest scenario, is that if the galaxy was a dangerous place, it would already have been defensively/offensively explored. There wouldn’t be a star system with primitives like us that wasn’t identified many millions of years ago. But for credible scenarios, your “too much smarter than us to predict” principle is a good one. “They went into another dimension” for instance, seems fantastical. But we have no idea what millions of years of science and technology will allow. For all we know, the re-acceleration of dark energy is the side effect of successive new civilizations harnessing the fine structure of space-time creating their own private megaverses.
- bilsbie 3y ago
  Do you pick apple blossoms or do you wait for the apples?
  - Nevermark 3y ago
    What does that mean? Super intelligent aliens want to wait millions of years to mess with us because … ? Whatever “apple blossoms” they want, they can create themselves. We don’t have unobtainium. We are never going to be a threat to life far more advanced than us. The solar system is just resources like any other, unless they leave more primitive life alone. Which would not be the Dark Forest scenario.
jajko 3y ago
If you mean that they are tricking anybody, that doesn't follow. We are already curious, and we are literally infants doing first baby steps and TBH we are still pretty much clueless about things like how universe works via single set of principles, how many dimensions are there and so on. Can't get even to nearest star in reasonable time. You don't hide yourself by doing something so far unique and extremely visible in cca whole galaxy and even beyond. The real threat to such 'builders' would be much more advanced civ than us that can clearly see and understand what they see. 'What if' can be a nice mental game if you let your imagination loose in right direction, but its just a game and this one doesn't stand on any solid facts, so lets treat it as such.

Nevermark 3y ago

The big weakness of the Dark Forest scenario, is that if the galaxy was a dangerous place, it would already have been defensively/offensively explored. There wouldn’t be a star system with primitives like us that wasn’t identified many millions of years ago. But for credible scenarios, your “too much smarter than us to predict” principle is a good one. “They went into another dimension” for instance, seems fantastical. But we have no idea what millions of years of science and technology will allow. For all we know, the re-acceleration of dark energy is the side effect of successive new civilizations harnessing the fine structure of space-time creating their own private megaverses.

bilsbie 3y ago
Do you pick apple blossoms or do you wait for the apples?
- Nevermark 3y ago
  What does that mean? Super intelligent aliens want to wait millions of years to mess with us because … ? Whatever “apple blossoms” they want, they can create themselves. We don’t have unobtainium. We are never going to be a threat to life far more advanced than us. The solar system is just resources like any other, unless they leave more primitive life alone. Which would not be the Dark Forest scenario.

jajko 3y ago

If you mean that they are tricking anybody, that doesn't follow. We are already curious, and we are literally infants doing first baby steps and TBH we are still pretty much clueless about things like how universe works via single set of principles, how many dimensions are there and so on. Can't get even to nearest star in reasonable time. You don't hide yourself by doing something so far unique and extremely visible in cca whole galaxy and even beyond. The real threat to such 'builders' would be much more advanced civ than us that can clearly see and understand what they see. 'What if' can be a nice mental game if you let your imagination loose in right direction, but its just a game and this one doesn't stand on any solid facts, so lets treat it as such.