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It is unlikely that a civil war occurs but the possibility is nonzero. What is far more likely (though still small in probability) is that some states decide t

It is unlikely that a civil war occurs but the possibility is nonzero. What is far more likely (though still small in probability) is that some states decide to secede. The likelihood of this increases as culture between states diverges and as the major power imbalance between states continues without being addressed. As it is now there is no proportional representation at the federal level and thus people in California and Florida have less power than those in North Dakota. This power imbalance is not sustainable in the long term.

Dalewyn 3y ago
Please learn how the US government works before you speak of it in an authoritative manner. 1. The Federal government represents the States, the Peoples thereof are represented by each State. Note terminology such as "Congressional delegation of Pennsylvania". 2. The House of Representatives in Congress is a proportional representation of the States according to their population, with an upper limit of 435 total Representatives in the House and a lower guarantee of 1 Representative per State. The former exists for practical reasons more than anything, and the latter exists to guarantee every State will have a say in the House no matter its population. 3. Secession is not permitted by (more accurately it's not written in) the Constitution. The only demonstration of secession in US history led to the Civil War, so it's reasonable to expect that would happen again if States were to secede again.
- skhunted 3y ago
  The House of Representatives in Congress is a proportional representation of the States according to their population…. The House of Representatives is not proportional representation. The one Representative from North Dakota represents far fewer people than a Representative from California. Proportional representation ended in the 1920s. Congress has not authorized more representatives in 100 years. EDIT: To have mosty proportional representation the number of Representatives should be (population of U.S.)/(population of least populous state). Secession is not permitted by (more accurately it's not written in) the Constitution. Obviously. And yet there are numerous instances throughout history of regions of a country breaking away. Things change over time and it could come to pass where California wants to go it alone. Such an act does not have to lead to a civil war. The break up of Czechoslovakia demonstrates this possibility. The Federal government represents the States.. Obviously. Equally obvious is that if the people of those states don’t feel their voices are heard then over time they may wish to secede. There are major power imbalances in the U.S. federal system and I don’t believe it is long term sustainable. But maybe the U.S. is special and its Constitution is as unchanging as the Word of God and it lasts forever. I think you lack an understanding of how societies and political structures can change over time. These things are not static.
- skhunted 3y ago
  Please learn how the US government works before you speak of it in an authoritative manner. An ironic statement given that you think the U.S. House of Representatives has proportional representation. And you ignored that the U.S. Senate does not have it either. Yes, I know that is by design but it is still true that it’s not proportional representation. This leads to power imbalances. Usually such imbalances cause problems over time.
simonblack 3y ago
What is far more likely (though still small in probability) is that some states decide to secede. Probably far more likely than actual states seceding is that many individuals will 'secede'. Think along the lines of Republicans vs. Democrats (for example) rather than California vs. Washington. As the ideological groups win over territory they will progress to more 'normal' territorial warfare. Probably a good analogy would be the 'White Russians' vs. the 'Red Russians' civil war back in the 1920s.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  > As the ideological groups win over territory TFA addressed this hypothesis. (Have you ever looked at the US, not by states, but by MSAs? The real colour is purple; it's all the fucked up districting that make it seem otherwise)
  - simonblack 2y ago
    Then again, you could look at it street-by-street and you would see that same sort of thing. Even room-by-room within a single house and again you could see that. Hence my comment about individuals 'seceding'. Even in the original Civil War, there were cases of individuals within a single family wearing Gray or Blue according to their personal beliefs. Though that was very rare.

Dalewyn 3y ago

Please learn how the US government works before you speak of it in an authoritative manner. 1. The Federal government represents the States, the Peoples thereof are represented by each State. Note terminology such as "Congressional delegation of Pennsylvania". 2. The House of Representatives in Congress is a proportional representation of the States according to their population, with an upper limit of 435 total Representatives in the House and a lower guarantee of 1 Representative per State. The former exists for practical reasons more than anything, and the latter exists to guarantee every State will have a say in the House no matter its population. 3. Secession is not permitted by (more accurately it's not written in) the Constitution. The only demonstration of secession in US history led to the Civil War, so it's reasonable to expect that would happen again if States were to secede again.

skhunted 3y ago
The House of Representatives in Congress is a proportional representation of the States according to their population…. The House of Representatives is not proportional representation. The one Representative from North Dakota represents far fewer people than a Representative from California. Proportional representation ended in the 1920s. Congress has not authorized more representatives in 100 years. EDIT: To have mosty proportional representation the number of Representatives should be (population of U.S.)/(population of least populous state). Secession is not permitted by (more accurately it's not written in) the Constitution. Obviously. And yet there are numerous instances throughout history of regions of a country breaking away. Things change over time and it could come to pass where California wants to go it alone. Such an act does not have to lead to a civil war. The break up of Czechoslovakia demonstrates this possibility. The Federal government represents the States.. Obviously. Equally obvious is that if the people of those states don’t feel their voices are heard then over time they may wish to secede. There are major power imbalances in the U.S. federal system and I don’t believe it is long term sustainable. But maybe the U.S. is special and its Constitution is as unchanging as the Word of God and it lasts forever. I think you lack an understanding of how societies and political structures can change over time. These things are not static.
skhunted 3y ago
Please learn how the US government works before you speak of it in an authoritative manner. An ironic statement given that you think the U.S. House of Representatives has proportional representation. And you ignored that the U.S. Senate does not have it either. Yes, I know that is by design but it is still true that it’s not proportional representation. This leads to power imbalances. Usually such imbalances cause problems over time.

simonblack 3y ago

What is far more likely (though still small in probability) is that some states decide to secede. Probably far more likely than actual states seceding is that many individuals will 'secede'. Think along the lines of Republicans vs. Democrats (for example) rather than California vs. Washington. As the ideological groups win over territory they will progress to more 'normal' territorial warfare. Probably a good analogy would be the 'White Russians' vs. the 'Red Russians' civil war back in the 1920s.

082349872349872 2y ago
> As the ideological groups win over territory TFA addressed this hypothesis. (Have you ever looked at the US, not by states, but by MSAs? The real colour is purple; it's all the fucked up districting that make it seem otherwise)
- simonblack 2y ago
  Then again, you could look at it street-by-street and you would see that same sort of thing. Even room-by-room within a single house and again you could see that. Hence my comment about individuals 'seceding'. Even in the original Civil War, there were cases of individuals within a single family wearing Gray or Blue according to their personal beliefs. Though that was very rare.