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What makes you think putting data on the Internet all the sudden means I unilaterally surrender the rights to my intellectual property? If I choose to make my

What makes you think putting data on the Internet all the sudden means I unilaterally surrender the rights to my intellectual property? If I choose to make my data available to some businesses to make discovery of it easier, and I choose to decline to allow others to unilaterally copy my data to develop a different business, that's my right. And it is unethical and unreasonable for any other person to assume otherwise that they are entitled to the same rights I granted someone else. If I own some data, I get to the be arbitrator of the who/what/when/where on the use of the data. Period.

throwaway11460 2y ago
Sure, you can do whatever you like. Cut the connection if you don't like it. But I can do whatever I like too - read the data that your machine sent me, for example. If your machine sends my machine data it's IMHO reasonable to expect that you don't care about me having it unless we agreed otherwise. But in many countries ToS is not considered a legal contract at all - just having it on your site somewhere is not enough. Sometimes not even having users check the ToS checkmark would form a valid contract. There are many kinds of data that can't be owned at all. Actually it's the other way around - there is a very small subset of data that can be owned. You can try to cover it under some kind of a non-disclosure clause in a contract, but again - a contract would have to exist.
- blantonl 2y ago
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  - throwaway11460 2y ago
    What I'm saying is - your machine is fully capable of providing just the right amount of data to fulfill your purposes. If you don't like people taking it all, don't build a machine that gives it to them at 1 Gb/s. Stuff about some ToS or rights or IP ownership is just noise.
xyzzyman 2y ago
> What makes you think putting data on the Internet all the sudden means I unilaterally surrender the rights to my intellectual property? Because intellectual property doesn't exist.
layer8 2y ago
Scraping doesn’t imply IP violation.

throwaway11460 2y ago

Sure, you can do whatever you like. Cut the connection if you don't like it. But I can do whatever I like too - read the data that your machine sent me, for example. If your machine sends my machine data it's IMHO reasonable to expect that you don't care about me having it unless we agreed otherwise. But in many countries ToS is not considered a legal contract at all - just having it on your site somewhere is not enough. Sometimes not even having users check the ToS checkmark would form a valid contract. There are many kinds of data that can't be owned at all. Actually it's the other way around - there is a very small subset of data that can be owned. You can try to cover it under some kind of a non-disclosure clause in a contract, but again - a contract would have to exist.

blantonl 2y ago
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- throwaway11460 2y ago
  What I'm saying is - your machine is fully capable of providing just the right amount of data to fulfill your purposes. If you don't like people taking it all, don't build a machine that gives it to them at 1 Gb/s. Stuff about some ToS or rights or IP ownership is just noise.

xyzzyman 2y ago

> What makes you think putting data on the Internet all the sudden means I unilaterally surrender the rights to my intellectual property? Because intellectual property doesn't exist.

layer8 2y ago

Scraping doesn’t imply IP violation.