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Not trying to excuse their behavior, but my best friend and roommate was a part time phone support in college so I learned a few tricks… 1. They get a lot of d
by vineyardmike 3y ago
Not trying to excuse their behavior, but my best friend and roommate was a part time phone support in college so I learned a few tricks…
1. They get a lot of dumb questions. If you want a “talk to an engineer” bug report, you really need to prove competency to the support staff. Obviously be nice because they’re not the source of your problems they’re just trying to do their job.
2. Chat staff aren’t able to do much, phone staff have more power and insight. Chat staff can’t see your account, can’t issue pity refunds, can’t make choices outside of the generic script. You should call during US business hours if you’re trying to call the US support. Best case scenario is finding a college student.
3. They’re required to have you follow the generic published help scripts first. If you pull up the webpage and directly tell staff you followed each step - then read them the steps for proof you know them - they’ll often be able to just to the “custom help” portion.
4. If you make any reference to the TOS/Laws/etc they will mark your account as troubled and you will never get service again. You get legal canned responses only. They seem you not a valuable customer anymore. Don’t reference warranty law, definitely don’t threaten to sue, etc.
5. They can see how many apple products you have registered, how much you spend, etc and the customer service agent can decide how generous to be. If you only own a 5yo iPhone, and you’re contacting support claiming the screen magically broke in your sleep they won’t help. If you’ve upgraded every iPhone in your house every year for a decade, they might be nice when it “magically breaks on its own”.
6. They have minimal training outside of the above mentioned docs. Again, the phone staff has better training. They have common devices in front of them, and if you can get someone sympathetic on the phone, they might try to reproduce it live. That’s the golden ticket to a bug report.
- LocalH 3y ago>4. If you make any reference to the TOS/Laws/etc they will mark your account as troubled and you will never get service again. You get legal canned responses only. They seem you not a valuable customer anymore. Don’t reference warranty law, definitely don’t threaten to sue, etc. This is problematic. They'll be happy to parrot out whatever TOS section you violated if you get banned under TOS, but completely stonewall you if you bring it up? In situations like these, I draw analogy to a hypothetical legal system that does the same thing. Imagine that you are defending yourself in a court of law, and you bring up a specific legal code in your defense. The court then brickwalls you and assumes you are a bad actor, and you get thrown in jail. I know the analogy isn't perfect, but none are.
- chuckadams 3y agoThe main problem is all the kooks who will dispute an overdue payment by citing the Constitution, the Flag Code, and the Magna Carta. You can’t have support staff engaging with these people.
- 1oooqooq 3y agoif you you don't pay or instruct staff enough to understand the difference, something's really bad at a company with that excuse.
- vineyardmike 3y agoI assume the intent (right or wrong) is that they don’t want to deputize phone staff to deal with “legal” issues. They’re not lawyers, so if you make it a law issue, they’ll move you to a law support. But a big company won’t actually have a lawyer argue over the phone - lawyers like “courts or quiet” policies.
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoSo many people say "1984 wasn't supposed to be a guidebook!" but this is 100% The Trial.