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Suddenly, Chinese Spies Seem to Be Popping Up All over Europe

18 points by kryster 3y ago

kryster 3y ago
https://archive.is/gkZrM https://archive.is/gkZrM
richrichie 3y ago
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- throwaway4good 3y ago
  Perhaps they got the idea that once the West finishes off Russia, they are next on the list.
  - morbicer 3y ago
    West is not destroying Russia. Russia is destroying itself by larping as an insane imperium. They could have been a strong Europe's partner with all their natural resources. Instead Russia is behaving like a toddler with a gun. Europe tried really hard to welcome them to civilized society. Alas.
    - richrichie 3y ago
      It is actually the other way around. If EU did not mindlessly toady along Washington’s imperial goals, it would have a reliable low cost commodity and energy supplier and European economy would be competitive and not be where it is today. EU needs an independent foreign policy that maximises its own strategic interests. But the problem is EU is not a homogenous country. So it is unlikely to happen.
      - morbicer 3y ago
        Nonsense. Case in point: Nordstream 2. Something that USA heavily opposed and EU pushed through anyway. But Putin doesn't want to be a partner, he wants to be a tzar at the cost of anything. USA has its own imperial goals but it's pure whataboutism and has nothing to do with reason why Russia is degrading back to 19th century today.
        richrichie 3y ago
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        dang 3y ago
        Can you please stop posting ideological/nationalistic/etc. flamewar comments to HN? Your account has been doing a lot of this, and it's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
chiefalchemist 3y ago
> The Chinese Embassy in Berlin. Arrests this week in Germany and Britain suggest not so much that Beijing has ramped up espionage work but that European countries have stepped up their response. The headline plants one idea (i.e., China is adding more and more spies), but then immediately the lede paragraphs offers an entirely different take (i.e., The West is outing spies with increased fervor). I fully accept the responsibly for this statement (i.e., here come the down votes) but someone needs to say it: Why is the NYT such a "journalistic" shit-show? That is, given the lede, the headline is deceptive. It's fake news. The saddest of all? It won't be questioned. Such intentional sloppiness is accepted and normalized. It's considered journalism (as if propaganda suddenly qualifies as such)? Yet how many will read the headline, keep scrolling, never see the lede, and be left with the idea that is for all intents and purposes a lie? The hopes of a clean and unbiased discussion is already off the rails. WTF.
- qp11 3y ago
  Well its old news how the NYT works, maybe not to next gen, so here you go - https://web.archive.org/web/20131025035711/http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php https://web.archive.org/web/20131025035711/http://www.carlbe...
  - ratsmack 3y ago
    Interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  heds and articles have been written by different people for my entire lifetime, and I remember literal cut-and-paste layout.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    It's the NYT, where is the editor? Certainly such an outstanding journalistic enterprise has basic QA.

18 points by kryster 3y ago

kryster 3y ago

https://archive.is/gkZrM https://archive.is/gkZrM

richrichie 3y ago

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throwaway4good 3y ago
Perhaps they got the idea that once the West finishes off Russia, they are next on the list.
- morbicer 3y ago
  West is not destroying Russia. Russia is destroying itself by larping as an insane imperium. They could have been a strong Europe's partner with all their natural resources. Instead Russia is behaving like a toddler with a gun. Europe tried really hard to welcome them to civilized society. Alas.
  - richrichie 3y ago
    It is actually the other way around. If EU did not mindlessly toady along Washington’s imperial goals, it would have a reliable low cost commodity and energy supplier and European economy would be competitive and not be where it is today. EU needs an independent foreign policy that maximises its own strategic interests. But the problem is EU is not a homogenous country. So it is unlikely to happen.
    - morbicer 3y ago
      Nonsense. Case in point: Nordstream 2. Something that USA heavily opposed and EU pushed through anyway. But Putin doesn't want to be a partner, he wants to be a tzar at the cost of anything. USA has its own imperial goals but it's pure whataboutism and has nothing to do with reason why Russia is degrading back to 19th century today.
      - richrichie 3y ago
        [flagged]
        dang 3y ago
        Can you please stop posting ideological/nationalistic/etc. flamewar comments to HN? Your account has been doing a lot of this, and it's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

chiefalchemist 3y ago

> The Chinese Embassy in Berlin. Arrests this week in Germany and Britain suggest not so much that Beijing has ramped up espionage work but that European countries have stepped up their response. The headline plants one idea (i.e., China is adding more and more spies), but then immediately the lede paragraphs offers an entirely different take (i.e., The West is outing spies with increased fervor). I fully accept the responsibly for this statement (i.e., here come the down votes) but someone needs to say it: Why is the NYT such a "journalistic" shit-show? That is, given the lede, the headline is deceptive. It's fake news. The saddest of all? It won't be questioned. Such intentional sloppiness is accepted and normalized. It's considered journalism (as if propaganda suddenly qualifies as such)? Yet how many will read the headline, keep scrolling, never see the lede, and be left with the idea that is for all intents and purposes a lie? The hopes of a clean and unbiased discussion is already off the rails. WTF.

qp11 3y ago
Well its old news how the NYT works, maybe not to next gen, so here you go - https://web.archive.org/web/20131025035711/http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php https://web.archive.org/web/20131025035711/http://www.carlbe...
- ratsmack 3y ago
  Interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
082349872349872 3y ago
heds and articles have been written by different people for my entire lifetime, and I remember literal cut-and-paste layout.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  It's the NYT, where is the editor? Certainly such an outstanding journalistic enterprise has basic QA.