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X11 may be clunky, but it's familiar clunky which my tools and workflows are already set up for. I paid the cost incurred by X11's clunk many years ago and now

X11 may be clunky, but it's familiar clunky which my tools and workflows are already set up for. I paid the cost incurred by X11's clunk many years ago and now I feel too old and weary to pay it again for Wayland. I no longer enjoy tinkering so I'm going to stick with what already works for me. If Wayland were such a great improvement overall that it didn't incur it's own clunky tax, then the situation might be different. On the contrary, Wayland is not only clunky but fragmented as well; hacks and workarounds for one compositor don't necessarily work for another, so if I switched to it I would be faced with the prospect of either figuring out numerous systems or picking one of them blind and hoping for the best.

lpapez 3y ago
> I no longer enjoy tinkering so I'm going to stick with what already works for me. Absolutely feel the same way, I don't wanna work on my tools, I wanna work on my work. I picked up Linux because I was an enthusiast. Now I use it because Windows became unusable and Linux is actually the best option on the desktop. But I don't care about X11 or Wayland, I just want things to work without fuss - and they mostly do through decades of churn and cruft. In my world legacy cruft is vastly preferable to new problems.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  > [...] I just want things to work without fuss - and they mostly do through decades of churn and cruft. In my world legacy cruft is vastly preferable to new problems. I am curious to know why you decided to choose linux over netbsd if that is your opinion.
  - smackeyacky 3y ago
    gee, because nothing runs on it and the hardware support is deficient?
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    Isn't NetBSD the one people install on toasters for bragging rights, and FreeBSD is the one people actually use? Anyway, Linux has better support for both hardware and software.
prmoustache 3y ago
> I no longer enjoy tinkering so I'm going to stick with what already works for me. You don't really have to in practice if you aren't a tinkerer. Most distros do the whole thing for you and appart from having a smoother desktop, you wouldn't even know you are using wayland on Gnome or KDE. In fact only the tinkerers can be annoyed by the switch because they are the ones using a non distro polished setup.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  I have a small pile of hacks and utilities created in my tinkering days which I still use. I don't care for either GNOME or KDE so my desktop is a hodgepodge of various stuff; Kwin and LXQt plus a bunch of xbindkey, xdotool, tdrop, etc. From what I understand, a lot of this would need to be replaced with compositor-specific solutions if I switched to wayland.

lpapez 3y ago

> I no longer enjoy tinkering so I'm going to stick with what already works for me. Absolutely feel the same way, I don't wanna work on my tools, I wanna work on my work. I picked up Linux because I was an enthusiast. Now I use it because Windows became unusable and Linux is actually the best option on the desktop. But I don't care about X11 or Wayland, I just want things to work without fuss - and they mostly do through decades of churn and cruft. In my world legacy cruft is vastly preferable to new problems.

prmoustache 3y ago
> [...] I just want things to work without fuss - and they mostly do through decades of churn and cruft. In my world legacy cruft is vastly preferable to new problems. I am curious to know why you decided to choose linux over netbsd if that is your opinion.
- smackeyacky 3y ago
  gee, because nothing runs on it and the hardware support is deficient?
- lupusreal 3y ago
  Isn't NetBSD the one people install on toasters for bragging rights, and FreeBSD is the one people actually use? Anyway, Linux has better support for both hardware and software.

prmoustache 3y ago

> I no longer enjoy tinkering so I'm going to stick with what already works for me. You don't really have to in practice if you aren't a tinkerer. Most distros do the whole thing for you and appart from having a smoother desktop, you wouldn't even know you are using wayland on Gnome or KDE. In fact only the tinkerers can be annoyed by the switch because they are the ones using a non distro polished setup.

lupusreal 3y ago
I have a small pile of hacks and utilities created in my tinkering days which I still use. I don't care for either GNOME or KDE so my desktop is a hodgepodge of various stuff; Kwin and LXQt plus a bunch of xbindkey, xdotool, tdrop, etc. From what I understand, a lot of this would need to be replaced with compositor-specific solutions if I switched to wayland.