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Because PUFAs cause systemic inflammation. If your pancreas is inflamed you won’t properly secrete insulin.

gruez 2y ago
How is this related to the advice of "just say no to [insert harmful but palatable food]" not working for the past few decades? Moreover, even if you believe PUFA/seed oils are toxic, surely it's better to not consume sugar (and all the associated calories/insulin spikes) in the first place?
- XorNot 2y ago
  Because people keep failing to lose weight following it. It's advice that doesn't generate any measure of success or effectiveness, and is likely to make you feel worse and thus regress: the difficulty of it is so common that it's a Hollywood trope to show someone over-eating or eating ice cream on a couch to say "this person is stressed". Advice which doesn't work, or can't be adhered to, is bad advice. "You shouldn't eat X" is always coming from someone who doesn't want or like X in the first place. They have no investment in it, it's the easiest thing in the world for them to say because they don't want it to start with.
  - mckn1ght 2y ago
    Oh, I definitely like treats, and grew up drinking soda. As well as cream and sugar in coffee, and tons of other little places sugar sneaks into. Fruit juices, even the healthy 100% orange juice, not from concentrate. It took years and years to train myself out of eating elevated levels of sugars every day. Now that I’ve done that hard work, yes, I can’t tolerate drinking a large cup of soda. I will drink a small, like 4-8 oz amount, as a treat on extreme occasion, like some of the special sodas the local breweries make around the holidays. Even then I feel it though. But I also just don’t buy the stuff. A lot easier to say no when it’s not staring you in the face day in and day out at home. Out of sight, out of mind. Getting to the point where you don’t want it anymore is kind of the point.
    - mise_en_place 2y ago
      The average American in the 50s consumed 100g of sucrose per day. Where was the obesity then? Where was the diabetes? They consumed close to 4000 kcal daily, without going to the gym. Most men had sedentary, office jobs. It is ridiculous to completely eliminate micro or macronutrients in your life. Your body would not have the ability to convert glucose into ATP if you weren’t supposed to consume sucrose.
      - mckn1ght 2y ago
        Source on the average American consuming 200% of their RDV of sugar and kcal in the 50s? Because the sources I find fall in the low 2000 range for US per capita kcal consumption in the mid 20th century to the mid 2000s in the 21st century [0] and high 2000s average kcal consumption in 60’s to the mid 3000s by 2017 [1], which is an alarming amount if that’s a sedentary person. And regardless of the validity of your claim, we know the effects of a diet like that. The human body did not evolve with such a diet available, nor with the aisles of cereals, chips, cookies, cakes and sodas like have been available in the last 50ish years in stores. Ritz crackers ingredients by order of amount: flour, palm oil, sugar… Crackers do not need sugar, these aren’t really crackers. We’re feeding ourselves shit. The effects of poor diet compound over generations as well. Both in terms of: someone with a poor diet is likely to teach their children poorly, who could go on to make worse decisions earlier in their life and thus over a longer amount of absolute time, and also could damage the DNA and chromosomes they’re passing along [2], and then again lead to poor embryonic and fetal development [3]. Where was the diabetes? It was walking behind us all along [4]. [0]: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-your-table-how-americas-diet-has-changed-over-the-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-... [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/american-calorie-intake-last-52-years-diet-food-eating-increase-science-2017-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/american-calorie-intake-last... [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3241941/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3241941/ [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/ [4]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17389135/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17389135/
    - XorNot 2y ago
postalrat 2y ago
How does the rest of the world not know things are so simple as they are described in internet forums?

How is this related to the advice of "just say no to [insert harmful but palatable food]" not working for the past few decades? Moreover, even if you believe PUFA/seed oils are toxic, surely it's better to not consume sugar (and all the associated calories/insulin spikes) in the first place?

XorNot 2y ago
Because people keep failing to lose weight following it. It's advice that doesn't generate any measure of success or effectiveness, and is likely to make you feel worse and thus regress: the difficulty of it is so common that it's a Hollywood trope to show someone over-eating or eating ice cream on a couch to say "this person is stressed". Advice which doesn't work, or can't be adhered to, is bad advice. "You shouldn't eat X" is always coming from someone who doesn't want or like X in the first place. They have no investment in it, it's the easiest thing in the world for them to say because they don't want it to start with.
- mckn1ght 2y ago
  Oh, I definitely like treats, and grew up drinking soda. As well as cream and sugar in coffee, and tons of other little places sugar sneaks into. Fruit juices, even the healthy 100% orange juice, not from concentrate. It took years and years to train myself out of eating elevated levels of sugars every day. Now that I’ve done that hard work, yes, I can’t tolerate drinking a large cup of soda. I will drink a small, like 4-8 oz amount, as a treat on extreme occasion, like some of the special sodas the local breweries make around the holidays. Even then I feel it though. But I also just don’t buy the stuff. A lot easier to say no when it’s not staring you in the face day in and day out at home. Out of sight, out of mind. Getting to the point where you don’t want it anymore is kind of the point.
  - mise_en_place 2y ago
    The average American in the 50s consumed 100g of sucrose per day. Where was the obesity then? Where was the diabetes? They consumed close to 4000 kcal daily, without going to the gym. Most men had sedentary, office jobs. It is ridiculous to completely eliminate micro or macronutrients in your life. Your body would not have the ability to convert glucose into ATP if you weren’t supposed to consume sucrose.
    - mckn1ght 2y ago
      Source on the average American consuming 200% of their RDV of sugar and kcal in the 50s? Because the sources I find fall in the low 2000 range for US per capita kcal consumption in the mid 20th century to the mid 2000s in the 21st century [0] and high 2000s average kcal consumption in 60’s to the mid 3000s by 2017 [1], which is an alarming amount if that’s a sedentary person. And regardless of the validity of your claim, we know the effects of a diet like that. The human body did not evolve with such a diet available, nor with the aisles of cereals, chips, cookies, cakes and sodas like have been available in the last 50ish years in stores. Ritz crackers ingredients by order of amount: flour, palm oil, sugar… Crackers do not need sugar, these aren’t really crackers. We’re feeding ourselves shit. The effects of poor diet compound over generations as well. Both in terms of: someone with a poor diet is likely to teach their children poorly, who could go on to make worse decisions earlier in their life and thus over a longer amount of absolute time, and also could damage the DNA and chromosomes they’re passing along [2], and then again lead to poor embryonic and fetal development [3]. Where was the diabetes? It was walking behind us all along [4]. [0]: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-your-table-how-americas-diet-has-changed-over-the-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-... [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/american-calorie-intake-last-52-years-diet-food-eating-increase-science-2017-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/american-calorie-intake-last... [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3241941/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3241941/ [3]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/ [4]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17389135/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17389135/
  - XorNot 2y ago

postalrat 2y ago

How does the rest of the world not know things are so simple as they are described in internet forums?