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I haven't seen a shred of evidence that these protestors are violent, or that they harass members of campuses, as they are said to do. The unbelievably harsh re

by mjfl 2y ago

I haven't seen a shred of evidence that these protestors are violent, or that they harass members of campuses, as they are said to do. The unbelievably harsh response from the universities and the state, which included forced dispersion by the police, roof snipers at Indiana University, and threats to call in the national guard by the Speaker of the House Mike Johnson at Columbia, has led me to feel incredibly depressed. I feel that we are reaching a schism in the history of the United States, where liberalism is dying and being replaced by... something else.

zeroonetwothree 2y ago
Are you familiar with the 1960s? Somehow we survived that without “liberalism dying”.
- mjfl 2y ago
  that's a pretty terrible example considering the COINTELPRO program with the FBI sending letters to MLK trying to get him to kill himself and assassinating people.
- nyc_data_geek 2y ago
  This is a false equivalence. Student protesters were far more radical in their actions before force was invoked at that time.
tomohawk 2y ago
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- mjfl 2y ago
  That was a hoax, she was brushed by a flag while someone walked past. The fact that you are even using that as evidence shows how weak the case you can make is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nXTlNpNkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nXTlNpNkI
racional 2y ago
I haven't seen a shred of evidence that these protestors are violent, or that they harass members of campuses, as they are said to do. Then you need start reading from more diverse sources. Just in the past week, for example - there's Khymani James, still currently front and center within the protest movement at Columbia, who was recorded earlier in the year saying "Zionists don't deserve to live" and "You shouldn't be surprised to see me murdering Zionists": https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student... And the assault on Israeli activist Yoseph Haddad by an identified member of the local activist community: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-797910 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-797910 In general the right wing vastly overexaggerates the violent aspects of the protest movement. But beyond question it has its share of assholes.
- mjfl 2y ago
  and some (all?) of these assholes are agent provocateurs, just like in the 60s, which a previous poster alluded to.
  - racional 2y ago
    That's speculation, and in essence an attempt at misdirection.
    - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 2y ago
      Full focus on unsavoury comments, or even actions, by one out of a thousand protesters (I'm taking a guess at the rate here; might be even lower than that) in order to label the whole protest movement as hateful, violent, and whatnot, is an attempt at misdirection from the message of the protest — that they want their universities to divest away from groups that are actively participating in the complete destruction of Gaza and mass killings of its people. This is a fairly standard way to bust protests [0, 1], and the fact that the mainstream media is playing along with that shows their alignment. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Norman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Norman [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
compsciphd 2y ago
Alex, can I take "comments that didn't age well" for 200?

by mjfl 2y ago

zeroonetwothree 2y ago

Are you familiar with the 1960s? Somehow we survived that without “liberalism dying”.

mjfl 2y ago
that's a pretty terrible example considering the COINTELPRO program with the FBI sending letters to MLK trying to get him to kill himself and assassinating people.
nyc_data_geek 2y ago
This is a false equivalence. Student protesters were far more radical in their actions before force was invoked at that time.

tomohawk 2y ago

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mjfl 2y ago
That was a hoax, she was brushed by a flag while someone walked past. The fact that you are even using that as evidence shows how weak the case you can make is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nXTlNpNkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nXTlNpNkI

racional 2y ago

I haven't seen a shred of evidence that these protestors are violent, or that they harass members of campuses, as they are said to do. Then you need start reading from more diverse sources. Just in the past week, for example - there's Khymani James, still currently front and center within the protest movement at Columbia, who was recorded earlier in the year saying "Zionists don't deserve to live" and "You shouldn't be surprised to see me murdering Zionists": https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student... And the assault on Israeli activist Yoseph Haddad by an identified member of the local activist community: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-797910 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-797910 In general the right wing vastly overexaggerates the violent aspects of the protest movement. But beyond question it has its share of assholes.

mjfl 2y ago
and some (all?) of these assholes are agent provocateurs, just like in the 60s, which a previous poster alluded to.
- racional 2y ago
  That's speculation, and in essence an attempt at misdirection.
  - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 2y ago
    Full focus on unsavoury comments, or even actions, by one out of a thousand protesters (I'm taking a guess at the rate here; might be even lower than that) in order to label the whole protest movement as hateful, violent, and whatnot, is an attempt at misdirection from the message of the protest — that they want their universities to divest away from groups that are actively participating in the complete destruction of Gaza and mass killings of its people. This is a fairly standard way to bust protests [0, 1], and the fact that the mainstream media is playing along with that shows their alignment. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Norman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Norman [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

compsciphd 2y ago

Alex, can I take "comments that didn't age well" for 200?