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This seems like a specific feature to NYC.

mckn1ght 3y ago
It was also possible when I lived in Boston, see for example: https://www.energyswitchma.gov/#/compare/2/1/02108// https://www.energyswitchma.gov/#/compare/2/1/02108//
jessriedel 3y ago
In SF I have two power generation options and one delivery option. It’s stupid because one of the generation options is both cheaper and greener (I don’t know of any reason to prefer the other), and delivery is literally 3x the generation cost so it doesn’t matter much either way.
buzer 3y ago
In bay area I can choose between PG&E and Silicon Valley Clean Energy for power. PG&E even handles the billing for SVCE. In Finland there was local monopoly for delivery and power could be bought from numerous companies. I just checked offers for my old place and I could choose between 250 different products, some from same companies (e.g. fixed term/permanent, guaranteed wind power, market rate). In there you would get separate bill from your power company rather than it being handled by the local delivery company.
throwaway290232 3y ago
US Law often requires power generators to operate separately from distributors. Even when it's the same company, they have to operate as two separate businesses, and it's illegal for them to even mention certain information to each other as it's considered anti-competitive. The purpose is to allow the market to provide competition. This is not specific to NYC. An Introductory Guide to Electricity Markets regulated by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission: https://www.ferc.gov/introductory-guide-electricity-markets-regulated-federal-energy-regulatory-commission https://www.ferc.gov/introductory-guide-electricity-markets-... Deregulation and competition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_of_the_United_States#Deregulation_and_competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_of_the_Unit...
ssl-3 3y ago
It may seem specific to NYC, but it's also that way in many other places in the US -- places like Ohio, and Texas. https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/energy-deregulation/ https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/energy-deregu... A combination of some napkin math and 2020 Census data suggests that ~35% of the US population lives in a state that the above article declares to be "fully deregulated".
- DEADMINCE 3y ago
  How do the different power supply companies give the power to con edison to deliver it?
  - ssl-3 3y ago
    Wires.

It was also possible when I lived in Boston, see for example: https://www.energyswitchma.gov/#/compare/2/1/02108// https://www.energyswitchma.gov/#/compare/2/1/02108//

jessriedel 3y ago

In SF I have two power generation options and one delivery option. It’s stupid because one of the generation options is both cheaper and greener (I don’t know of any reason to prefer the other), and delivery is literally 3x the generation cost so it doesn’t matter much either way.

buzer 3y ago

In bay area I can choose between PG&E and Silicon Valley Clean Energy for power. PG&E even handles the billing for SVCE. In Finland there was local monopoly for delivery and power could be bought from numerous companies. I just checked offers for my old place and I could choose between 250 different products, some from same companies (e.g. fixed term/permanent, guaranteed wind power, market rate). In there you would get separate bill from your power company rather than it being handled by the local delivery company.

throwaway290232 3y ago

US Law often requires power generators to operate separately from distributors. Even when it's the same company, they have to operate as two separate businesses, and it's illegal for them to even mention certain information to each other as it's considered anti-competitive. The purpose is to allow the market to provide competition. This is not specific to NYC. An Introductory Guide to Electricity Markets regulated by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission: https://www.ferc.gov/introductory-guide-electricity-markets-regulated-federal-energy-regulatory-commission https://www.ferc.gov/introductory-guide-electricity-markets-... Deregulation and competition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_of_the_United_States#Deregulation_and_competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_of_the_Unit...

ssl-3 3y ago

It may seem specific to NYC, but it's also that way in many other places in the US -- places like Ohio, and Texas. https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/energy-deregulation/ https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/energy-deregu... A combination of some napkin math and 2020 Census data suggests that ~35% of the US population lives in a state that the above article declares to be "fully deregulated".

DEADMINCE 3y ago
How do the different power supply companies give the power to con edison to deliver it?
- ssl-3 3y ago
  Wires.