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There hasn't been decades of decriminalization though? There have been decades of extremely harsh enforcement, far exceeding that applied to, for example, alcoh
by olliej 2y ago
There hasn't been decades of decriminalization though? There have been decades of extremely harsh enforcement, far exceeding that applied to, for example, alcohol, fraud, sexual assault, ...
What there has been is decades of "maybe years in jail for drug use is excessive?", to which some places said "let's have less restrictions on drug use than we do on alcohol" which is absurd though I suspect less harmful in the long term, but many have doubled down on punishment.
That is ignoring the demonstrable bias in enforcement of drug crimes, that meant that even in heavily policed and restrictive areas the drug laws primarily act as a method to criminalize specific social groups (drugs used by the wealthy generally have lower penalties than those use by everyone else, enforcement of drug crimes means that despite every study on the topic showing little racial split in use, the overwhelming majority of people in prison for weed use in the US are black).
Treat drugs the same way we treat alcohol: taxed, regulated, age restricted, etc (and please get people to stop smoking joints at concerts. I don't understand why people who would never consider smoking a cigarette inside then light up a joint in a crowded hall.)
- akira2501 2y ago> decades of "maybe years in jail for drug use is excessive?", Which is why we have a massive network of treatment and diversion programs often initiated by courts directly. It's been a long time since we've had a true "black and white" enforcement regime. > drugs used by the wealthy generally have lower penalties than those use by everyone else Wealthy people smoke crack too. What they can afford is to insulate themselves from the risk by being several layers removed from the transactions. > Treat drugs the same way we treat alcohol There are dry counties. There are states with specific ABV prohibitions in certain products and with dispensing limits in establishments. Some states have state operated liquor stores. The way we treat alcohol is not homogenous. Then we'd have to get into product safety, licensing and liability concerns. What process should a "herion shop" be required to submit to before opening?
- squigz 2y ago> Wealthy people smoke crack too. Do you mind linking to some data on this?
- echelon_musk 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Rob_Ford_crack_video_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Rob_Ford_crack_vid...
- moshun 2y agoPossibly my new favorite HN reply
- nyc_data_geek 2y agoTruly bash.org (RIP) worthy
- coffeebeqn 2y agoIt’s possible decriminalizing works but it’s also been combined with the absurd no policing of public places at all policy in these cities. If people want to shoot up at home that’s fine. But there’s no reason we need to have large meth/fentanyl encampments with violent and severely mentally ill people on the streets in addition to that. If you have too many chaotic policies that build up on each other it’s gonna end poorly as we’ve seen