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If they drop X11 support that will finally be the end of my cracktorio addiction.

db48x 3y ago
Same here.
jprete 3y ago
I don't see anything to indicate that they're dropping X11 support? It sounds like they're dropping dependencies that would require X11 to be installed.
- db48x 3y ago
  No, it doesn’t sound like they’ll be dropping X11 support any time soon. At least, not before the 2.0 release. It is nevertheless one of those worrisome things.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    They’re dropping a hard dependency on X11 and instead using a library that interfaces with X11 or Wayland for it. It still runs fine on X11.
  - Arnavion 3y ago
    There is a comment in the forum discussion by the author of the Linux section that X11 support is not going away, simply because SDL supports it. https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=609071#p609071 https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=609071#p609071
earthling8118 3y ago
It's time to make WaylandX, for running Wayland applications on X. Well, I happily use Wayland so I won't use it, but maybe you would.
- diath 3y ago
  That's already a thing, called XWayland, and it's the only way to make Wayland actually usable on Linux desktop.
  - glandium 3y ago
    XWayland is the exact opposite of what GP is asking for.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- glandium 3y ago
  Looks like your wish has been granted. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40175731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40175731
talldayo 3y ago
You could use Proton to play the Windows version in x11 just fine, I'm pretty sure.
Kerbonut 3y ago
Just run the last version that supports X11?
endigma 3y ago
I don't think they are planning to do this; they are at least maintaining support for whatever MacOS (Metal?) and the Nintendo Switch use in addition to Wayland, which suggests to me they are dropping X11 as a hard dependency not as a usable backend.
raiguard 3y ago
Apparently I didn't word that section very well, because many people took away this impression. My apologies. Factorio will continue to support X11 for as long as SDL does, in other words, essentially forever. The only change here is that X11 is no longer required for the game to launch at all. SDL will load whichever video driver is available at runtime, or if you have both, you can choose which one to use in the graphics settings.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  Excellent news, thank you for the clarification and all of your work!

Same here.

I don't see anything to indicate that they're dropping X11 support? It sounds like they're dropping dependencies that would require X11 to be installed.

db48x 3y ago
No, it doesn’t sound like they’ll be dropping X11 support any time soon. At least, not before the 2.0 release. It is nevertheless one of those worrisome things.
- bombcar 3y ago
  They’re dropping a hard dependency on X11 and instead using a library that interfaces with X11 or Wayland for it. It still runs fine on X11.
- Arnavion 3y ago
  There is a comment in the forum discussion by the author of the Linux section that X11 support is not going away, simply because SDL supports it. https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=609071#p609071 https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=609071#p609071

earthling8118 3y ago

It's time to make WaylandX, for running Wayland applications on X. Well, I happily use Wayland so I won't use it, but maybe you would.

diath 3y ago
That's already a thing, called XWayland, and it's the only way to make Wayland actually usable on Linux desktop.
- glandium 3y ago
  XWayland is the exact opposite of what GP is asking for.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
glandium 3y ago
Looks like your wish has been granted. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40175731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40175731

talldayo 3y ago

You could use Proton to play the Windows version in x11 just fine, I'm pretty sure.

Kerbonut 3y ago

Just run the last version that supports X11?

endigma 3y ago

I don't think they are planning to do this; they are at least maintaining support for whatever MacOS (Metal?) and the Nintendo Switch use in addition to Wayland, which suggests to me they are dropping X11 as a hard dependency not as a usable backend.

raiguard 3y ago

Apparently I didn't word that section very well, because many people took away this impression. My apologies. Factorio will continue to support X11 for as long as SDL does, in other words, essentially forever. The only change here is that X11 is no longer required for the game to launch at all. SDL will load whichever video driver is available at runtime, or if you have both, you can choose which one to use in the graphics settings.

lupusreal 3y ago
Excellent news, thank you for the clarification and all of your work!